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Yep. If the Swedish government really cared about children, they would do something to stop the massive underage gang violence problem the country has. 12 year

Yep. If the Swedish government really cared about children, they would do something to stop the massive underage gang violence problem the country has. 12 year olds being used as hitmen for drug gangs is not normal, yet that's the reality.

okr 2y ago
gangs of 12 year old roaming the swedish streets? you sure, it's not monty python playing in your head?
- wordofx 2y ago
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  - okr 2y ago
    Since ppl exaggerate individual cases to a generic form, i remain sceptical about "gang of 12 year old". not to say, it doesnt exists. everything is hyperbole on the internet.
    - tovazm 2y ago
      It’s quite common for migrant families to takes a few years off their kids age when they arrive, so they’ll adapt more easily, learnt the language and whatnot.
      - okr 2y ago
        This makes sense to me, to change the birthdate, to get additional support. A lot of young people looking a tad older. But when crimes are reported, where do officials get the birthdates from? Or do they reporting most likelies?
    - boxed 2y ago
      I've lived in Sweden all my life. This is 100% real. These gangs have guns, knives, sometimes even hand grenades.
  - estomagordo 2y ago
    This is of course a blatant lie. Anyone familiar with Sweden (or rational thought) will know this. But underlying for our international friends. It's a bizarre lie, not the least because it so obviously does not hold up to even the most basic scrutiny.
    - boxed 2y ago
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- zx10rse 2y ago
  Ignorance is bliss. It literally takes 4 sec to perform a search and find plenty of such cases - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXZxaKMl9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXZxaKMl9Y (Sky News Investigates: Sweden's deadly gang war) "How has a peaceful European country ended up the gun murder capital of the EU?" "Things got so bad that the government called in the army to help the police. And there's a new deadly trend emerging in this battle. Gang members as young as 14 are increasingly using explosives to target rivals as they fight over drug turfs. "
  - jaakl 2y ago
    Sweden is building now new prison for underage and lacks thousands of seats for inmates. Other countries are talking about renting their spare capacities to them.
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/SWE/swe... things tend to be relative, hence statistics are a thing. The gun murder capital of Europe without some hard data as to what that means sounds a bit like the radiation poisoning center of Antarctica, gang members as young as 14 can definitely be increasingly doing things if before they started increasing there were zero gang members below 14 using explosives etc. Another problem is just taking what the police say as being "true", for example the police say there are 62000 people in Stockholm (a city of slightly over 920000) "linked" to criminal gangs - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-has-around-62000-persons-linked-criminal-gangs-police-say-2024-02-23/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-has-around-62000... this article uses the word linked twice, in the title linked to criminal gangs, and later in the article "the authorities have struggled for years to contain violence linked to organised crime." I wonder if they have 62000 people who are violent in their linkage, somehow I doubt it but this seems to be the impression. Hey, I bet there is a problem, how big of a problem, probably not as big as these news stories imply. Why not? Well because if I had a really big nasty problem I wouldn't just imply it, I would lay it out, plenty of engagement to go around, but if my engagement could benefit from exaggerating the problem then I will imply instead of stating plainly. At any rate more than 6% of the population of Stockholm is currently not involved in a violent gang war which one might infer from the reportage.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  Open a newspaper when you find the time. Even government aligned mainstream media is reporting on it.
- wordofx 2y ago
  Unsure why my comment was flagged. If you want to see how much of the newspapers are censored in Sweden you’re free to go live there for a while, and witness the crime that happens and lack of support from police or media attention when the crime is committed by anyone who isn’t white and Swedish.
estomagordo 2y ago
You talk as if this is a problem that is easily solved. Of course government wish this could he solved. A tip is that whenever you reach a ludicrous conclusion "they do nothing to stop underage violence", it's probably your analysis that is ludicrous and not the object being analyzed.
- LtWorf 2y ago
  Well they will send brochures to schools now. That will fix it for sure I guess...
  - estomagordo 2y ago
    A remark as staggeringly strange as it is common. Yes, the police and social services has compiled written information that they want to share with parents of at-risk children. This seems a strange thing to ridicule.
    - LtWorf 2y ago
      We'll see next year how this strategy failed I guess.
    - LtWorf 2y ago
      Ah I heard today in the (swedish) news that they were advising parents to check which apps the kids are using. The main issue being "an encrypted messenger". So whatsapp=gang… unclear if telegram is ok since it's normally not e2ee. I am skeptical this will achieve anything useful.
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okr 2y ago

gangs of 12 year old roaming the swedish streets? you sure, it's not monty python playing in your head?

wordofx 2y ago
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- okr 2y ago
  Since ppl exaggerate individual cases to a generic form, i remain sceptical about "gang of 12 year old". not to say, it doesnt exists. everything is hyperbole on the internet.
  - tovazm 2y ago
    It’s quite common for migrant families to takes a few years off their kids age when they arrive, so they’ll adapt more easily, learnt the language and whatnot.
    - okr 2y ago
      This makes sense to me, to change the birthdate, to get additional support. A lot of young people looking a tad older. But when crimes are reported, where do officials get the birthdates from? Or do they reporting most likelies?
  - boxed 2y ago
    I've lived in Sweden all my life. This is 100% real. These gangs have guns, knives, sometimes even hand grenades.
- estomagordo 2y ago
  This is of course a blatant lie. Anyone familiar with Sweden (or rational thought) will know this. But underlying for our international friends. It's a bizarre lie, not the least because it so obviously does not hold up to even the most basic scrutiny.
  - boxed 2y ago
    [flagged]
zx10rse 2y ago
Ignorance is bliss. It literally takes 4 sec to perform a search and find plenty of such cases - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXZxaKMl9Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXZxaKMl9Y (Sky News Investigates: Sweden's deadly gang war) "How has a peaceful European country ended up the gun murder capital of the EU?" "Things got so bad that the government called in the army to help the police. And there's a new deadly trend emerging in this battle. Gang members as young as 14 are increasingly using explosives to target rivals as they fight over drug turfs. "
- jaakl 2y ago
  Sweden is building now new prison for underage and lacks thousands of seats for inmates. Other countries are talking about renting their spare capacities to them.
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/SWE/sweden/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/SWE/swe... things tend to be relative, hence statistics are a thing. The gun murder capital of Europe without some hard data as to what that means sounds a bit like the radiation poisoning center of Antarctica, gang members as young as 14 can definitely be increasingly doing things if before they started increasing there were zero gang members below 14 using explosives etc. Another problem is just taking what the police say as being "true", for example the police say there are 62000 people in Stockholm (a city of slightly over 920000) "linked" to criminal gangs - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-has-around-62000-persons-linked-criminal-gangs-police-say-2024-02-23/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-has-around-62000... this article uses the word linked twice, in the title linked to criminal gangs, and later in the article "the authorities have struggled for years to contain violence linked to organised crime." I wonder if they have 62000 people who are violent in their linkage, somehow I doubt it but this seems to be the impression. Hey, I bet there is a problem, how big of a problem, probably not as big as these news stories imply. Why not? Well because if I had a really big nasty problem I wouldn't just imply it, I would lay it out, plenty of engagement to go around, but if my engagement could benefit from exaggerating the problem then I will imply instead of stating plainly. At any rate more than 6% of the population of Stockholm is currently not involved in a violent gang war which one might infer from the reportage.
carlosjobim 2y ago
Open a newspaper when you find the time. Even government aligned mainstream media is reporting on it.
wordofx 2y ago
Unsure why my comment was flagged. If you want to see how much of the newspapers are censored in Sweden you’re free to go live there for a while, and witness the crime that happens and lack of support from police or media attention when the crime is committed by anyone who isn’t white and Swedish.

estomagordo 2y ago

You talk as if this is a problem that is easily solved. Of course government wish this could he solved. A tip is that whenever you reach a ludicrous conclusion "they do nothing to stop underage violence", it's probably your analysis that is ludicrous and not the object being analyzed.

LtWorf 2y ago
Well they will send brochures to schools now. That will fix it for sure I guess...
- estomagordo 2y ago
  A remark as staggeringly strange as it is common. Yes, the police and social services has compiled written information that they want to share with parents of at-risk children. This seems a strange thing to ridicule.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    We'll see next year how this strategy failed I guess.
  - LtWorf 2y ago
    Ah I heard today in the (swedish) news that they were advising parents to check which apps the kids are using. The main issue being "an encrypted messenger". So whatsapp=gang… unclear if telegram is ok since it's normally not e2ee. I am skeptical this will achieve anything useful.
    - Slava_Propanei 2y ago
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