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From the article, that's a massive pile of charges they're dumping onto him, all apparently because people use Telegram in ways the French state disapproves of?
by thamer 2y ago
From the article, that's a massive pile of charges they're dumping onto him, all apparently because people use Telegram in ways the French state disapproves of?
> Why was he under threat of a search warrant?
> The justice department considers that the lack of moderation, lack of cooperation with law enforcement, and the tools offered by Telegram (disposable number, cryptocurrencies, etc.) make him an accomplice to drug trafficking, pedo-criminal offenses and fraud.
- mdhb 2y agoA French citizen running a service in France is going to be subject to French laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of France if they have charges pending. This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory.
- llm_trw 2y ago>A ~French~ Chinese citizen running a service in ~French~ Chinese is going to be subject to ~French~ Chinese laws and can expect to be arrested when they step into the country of ~French~ Chinese if they have charges pending. >This isn’t some grand conspiracy theory. Funny that when the wrong country does it it's tyranny. When a Western country does it it's the rule of law. Especially when they are the exact same thing.
- the_duke 2y agoDo you have any concrete examples where this would apply? (person getting arrested in China over an offered service) If not, this is just whataboutism. I can't think of any, to be honest.
- entropyneur 2y agoThere's nothing funny or wrong about this argument. In a democracy, law is a community consensus. In a tyranny it's just a rule set up by the tyrant for everyone to follow (but never followed by the tyrant himself and his gunmen). That said, even in democracy a law can be bad, and likely is in this case.
- llm_trw 2y agoIn a democracy two wolves and a sheep discuss what is for dinner.
- cdchn 2y agoI wonder what his gameplan was trying to become a French citizen in the first place.
- AshamedCaptain 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalyp... Bingo!
- gtvwill 2y agoWell of you provide a service and it's knowingly used by criminals and you just implement features to benefit the criminal activity but make no effort to curb it. Yes, your an accomplice.
- IncandescentGas 2y agoWould you arrest a road worker because the highway onramp they just repaved was used by bank robbers to flee the scene of the crime?
- seszett 2y agoTo get the analogy straight, they would definitely arrest the CEO of the roadworks company if the road was letting robbers through but hindering law enforcement and the CEO was refusing to make the changes legally asked of them to mitigate the problem, yes.
- vrc 2y agoIf the road worker built features that specifically provided an oversized benefit to the bank robbing community in general, you’d definitely investigate the worker or construction company
- 13415 2y agoYour characterization fits basically any encryption program, including PGP and SSL connections by a web browser.
- anigbrowl 2y agoNo it doesn't. If you set up PGP or SSL you'll be able to encrypt things and might even misuse this capability for crime, but you won't have installed a platform where crime is openly advertised. I like Telegram, a lot, but if you're ignoring the fact that large parts of it openly function as a mall for criminal services (and it's 100x easier to find that stuff than via Tor, for example) you're not being honest with yourself. A lot of people here are just reflexively assuming its mean cops vs encryption because that's an issue tehy personally care about, and ignoring any other context.
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