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Microsoft's latest security update has ruined dual-boot Windows and Linux PCs
- neilv 2y agoDupe: “Something has gone seriously wrong,” dual-boot systems warn after MS update (arstechnica.com) 54 points by WaitWaitWha 11 hours ago | 45 comments | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41310217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41310217
- SuperNinKenDo 2y agoIf anyone is reading this before clicking through to the article, I recommend clicking through to the arstechnica link as it does not feature a god awful cookie popup like the link for this thread does.
- tiahura 2y agoIs dual booting still a thing? I haven’t seen anyone doing it in 20 years.
- shiroiushi 2y agoIn today's sister discussion about Linux on the desktop, several commenters there claim they're dual-booting.
- desiderantes 2y agoI don't think anyone is booting grub or refind in a way that you would notice on public.
- mortsnort 2y agoWhy wouldn't people be dual booting in 2024? Because of WLS?
- tiahura 2y agoWls, virtual box, cloud, …
- epidemian 2y agoWhy would it stop being a thing? I've had dual-booted until a couple of years ago, when i decided to ditch Windows for good, since i wasn't playing videogames, and the few i may wanted to play were playable on Steam. If i had needed Windows for a specific videogame or program, i would still be dual-booting today.
- mustache_kimono 2y ago> Why would it stop being a thing? Virtualization?
- bigiain 2y agoI just realised writing another response, that a large portion of the reasons I need to run Windows occasionally if to use weird hardware that's windows specific. Things that run odd USB protocols, our even worse require a USB-serial converter with a specific chipset. For me, it's way easier to keep a "hardware Windows machine" available than to debug why these things don't quite work right in a virtualised environment every time I need to use em.
- b112 2y agoI just realized that SSDs are sorta 3 1/2" floppy size. I picture turning off the machine, and popping one out of a caddy for another. The circle is vlosed.
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- denimnerd42 2y agoyes? my preferred desktop env is linux.
- 6th 2y agoI have a triple boot setup. Every OS sucks so why not? It doesn't hurt to have intact alternate OS's ready to go. I might only use one Linux regularly but there's a devuan and a vanilla windows (+patches from ~1 year/6mo. ago) - it's really no big deal leaving them be. It's just disk space. windows will probably get nuked soon cause it's on a gen4 NVME - not using that is a waste.
- turtle_heck 2y agoI did for a while in the 2010s but eventually found it too fragile and risky, started booting linux off a removable drive then eventually booting linux and just virtualizing windows, way less risky and I don't care about games so it was fine.
- bigiain 2y ago<waves hand> I have an Intel NUC that has it's original Windows (10) install on it's internal spinning rust drive, and Ubuntu on it's NVME SSD (and a pair of USB drives in software Raid 1) It's the Windows box I keep around for odd but specific tasks like the running the 3D wing and airfoil simulation software I have, or the CNC mill firmware update tool that only runs Windows. It's also got a few Windows only 3D modelling tools and GCode creation tools that I occasionally need for the laser cutter or CNC mill or one of the 3D printers. 99.9% of it's time is spent booted into Linux running Emby and PiHole and Home Bridge and doing file server duties.
- bastard_op 2y agoPeople are doing this a lot on handhelds like rog ally and others systems to flip between windoze-only games and those that work under Bazzite or other steam deck-ish distributions fine for improved performance and frame rates over windoze. Usually the DRM-laden vermin require windoze still, most everything else works ok enough with proton in linux now. I also keep windoze in as minimal space as I can using linux full-time to update lenovo firmware on my tb4 dock and system periodically as I've been burned with firmware updates under linux, so 128gb of a disk for windoze is usually a small sacrifice as a fallback.
- nightowl_games 2y agoYour saying some games run better under the windows emulation system than under windows itself?
- everforward 2y agoYeah, this is a thing though I wouldn’t pretend to know why. I used to get double the frame rate running World of Warcraft with WINE than I did on actual Windows. Never did dig into why.
- nightowl_games 2y agoI'd imagine the place that is going to run better on windows is GPU drivers... If the game is GPU bound it will probably always run better on windows. If the game has other bottlenecks perhaps WINE can out perform windows.
- SJetKaran 2y agoQuite a few people who bought windows laptops, and want to use Linux alongside in it.
- senectus1 2y agoabsolutely, its very often the gateway to a swap over. I haven't seen it used much in the enterprise though.
- JohnTHaller 2y agoI have an old Dell Latitude that I tri-boot Windows 7, 10, and 11 for testing with my PortableApps.com stuff as some things are better to test on actual hardware rather than in a virtual machine.
- glimmung 2y agoHappy triple booter here - yup, it's a thing. I have a stable/secure Linux and an experimental Linux on my trusty old T430, but I need a Windows instance for testing.
- nightowl_games 2y agoYeah it broke my Linux Mint. I run mint all day while developing and then switch to windows 11 to game every once in a while. I think there's a way to fix it but I had to disable secure boot to work this week. I've had way more issues with windows 11 than with linux Mint. Like way more.
- WolfeReader 2y agoAs a former dual-booter, there's surprisingly few games that still require Windows. You might consider going full Linux.
- kennu 2y agoI would say the opposite. Surprisingly many games still require Windows, at least on Steam. I can sometimes find something interesting that runs on a Linux too, but all the indie games are usually Windows only.
- nightowl_games 2y agoThey probably run good with steams' windows emulation layer
- geor9e 2y agoYou're talking Native support. But go to settings in Steam and look for "Steam Play will automatically install compatibility tools that allow you to play games from your library that were built for other operating systems. Enable Steam Play for supported titles". Here's the list of how well they all work https://www.protondb.com/explore https://www.protondb.com/explore
- accelbred 2y agoEven most unsupported titles work. You can enable the setting to allow running unsupported games with proton as well. If a game doesnt work, you can refund it with "it doesnt run on Linux" as a reason. Of all the games Ive tried, only had to do that for three.
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- fumeux_fume 2y agoDual-booters are a hardy folk. They'll persevere. I had the distinct pleasure recently of creating a Windows install USB without using Windows to create it. Damn near impossible.
- nulltxt 2y agoHow did you do it? Having trouble with this right now
- fumeux_fume 2y agoI used Ventoy. It's a free tool you "install" on your USB drive. Once installed, you can drag and drop one or more iso images to the drive and when you boot from the Ventoy USB drive you simply choose which installer you want to run. Windows installers will work automatically when you choose them and select the wimboot option. You can add as many installers as you want. Very awesome tool. For Linux, there's a GUI server shell script you can run to help you install Ventoy to the USB drive.
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41315701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41315701