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"Coincidentally, Lynch's co-defendant, Stephen Chamberlain, who was also acquitted, died the day of the storm after being hit by a car on Saturday morning in St

"Coincidentally, Lynch's co-defendant, Stephen Chamberlain, who was also acquitted, died the day of the storm after being hit by a car on Saturday morning in Stretham, England." Coincidentally indeed. "Other missing individuals have been identified by The Independent as: Christopher Morvillo, a lawyer who had represented Lynch and wife Neda Morvillo; Jonathan Bloomer, chairman of investment bank Morgan Stanley International and wife Judy Bloomer." Oh.

ignoramous 2y ago
The maker says the sailing boat was nearly unsinkable (why won't they?) There are 15 survivors including the Captain, so I doubt foul play. Given that Waterspouts, even the seemingly innocuous ones, are très powerful, it remains the most likely cause of Bayesian's tragedy. https://news.sky.com/story/sailing-yachts-like-mike-lynchs-are-unsinkable-bodies-ceo-of-boat-manufacturing-firm-says-13200883 https://news.sky.com/story/sailing-yachts-like-mike-lynchs-a... / https://archive.md/JKNJ7 https://archive.md/JKNJ7
- jprd 2y ago
  I mean, I really have to fight my brain from jumping into conspiracy theories at times. This is ABSOLUTELY one of them. Lot of other nasties running around without repercussions, but Karma/Simulation said nay to these cats. It is crazy hard to just shake off the coincidence at times.
  - nequo 2y ago
    Do you think that the conspirators staged the boat trip by actively planning for a waterspout? What is the probability of a conspiracy like that succeeding?
  - nexus6 2y ago
    Did you not read the statement of his wife? So explains in detail the storm.
- celdon25 2y ago
  Except the boat's keel was found to be raised, which is a suspicious red flag here.
  - defen 2y ago
    > Except the boat's keel was found to be raised Can you explain what that means? Like...I vaguely know what a keel is, but what does it mean for it to be raised? Who raises it, and how, or what could have caused it to be raised? What keel configuration would not have been a red flag?
    - mermaidnico 2y ago
      The keel is a blade on the bottom of the boat for stability. The built in ones tend to slow down performance, so newer boats have adjustable keels that raise and lower. If the keel had been extended, it would’ve lowered the boat’s center of gravity and given more stability. In a water spout however, not sure anything could’ve been helped. They needed to spend the night on land.
    - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
      Some (usually larger) boats can have movable keels - lifting or swing. It's usually controlled by hydraulics. If it's in rough weather you'd expect it to be fully extended to lower the centre of gravity. They're lifted when going into shallower areas.
  - cpncrunch 2y ago
    According to this article, it was partially raised, and that would be normal when going into a port: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/21/within-a-few-minutes-there-was-nothing-left-sailors-on-sinking-of-bayesian-superyacht https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/21/within...
- notatoad 2y ago
  >There are 15 survivors including the Captain, so I doubt foul play. doesn't that make it even more suspicious? the boat goes down, most of the people on it survive, but the guy who ripped off HP and his banker and his lawyer all died. if you wanted to believe that the ship was sailed into a storm and the sinking was used as cover for a murder, it seems more plausible this way than if everybody on the ship had died. (to be clear, i don't really believe this is what happened. just trying to figure out why the captain surviving makes it less likely to be foul play)
  - jongjong 2y ago
    Maybe they saw the storm coming towards them and they panicked and committed suicide.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    HP aren’t the mafia. Proved by jury trial that it wasn’t his fault if HP overvalued his company. Caveat emptor.
cj 2y ago
It sounds a bit less like a conspiracy theory if you consider that the yacht trip was meant to celebrate winning the legal case. Which explains why key people involved in the legal case are missing... they were on the yacht. The only real coincidence is the land and sea accidents happening around the same time.
tedunangst 2y ago
Who were you expecting to be on the yacht?
lr1970 2y ago
> Jonathan Bloomer, chairman of investment bank Morgan Stanley International and wife Judy Bloomer. I am curious, was Morgan Stanley International on that HP deal with Mr Lynch in some capacity?
- eurotexan 2y ago
  Bloomer was head of audit committee at Autonomy, the company in question…

ignoramous 2y ago

The maker says the sailing boat was nearly unsinkable (why won't they?) There are 15 survivors including the Captain, so I doubt foul play. Given that Waterspouts, even the seemingly innocuous ones, are très powerful, it remains the most likely cause of Bayesian's tragedy. https://news.sky.com/story/sailing-yachts-like-mike-lynchs-are-unsinkable-bodies-ceo-of-boat-manufacturing-firm-says-13200883 https://news.sky.com/story/sailing-yachts-like-mike-lynchs-a... / https://archive.md/JKNJ7 https://archive.md/JKNJ7

jprd 2y ago
I mean, I really have to fight my brain from jumping into conspiracy theories at times. This is ABSOLUTELY one of them. Lot of other nasties running around without repercussions, but Karma/Simulation said nay to these cats. It is crazy hard to just shake off the coincidence at times.
- nequo 2y ago
  Do you think that the conspirators staged the boat trip by actively planning for a waterspout? What is the probability of a conspiracy like that succeeding?
- nexus6 2y ago
  Did you not read the statement of his wife? So explains in detail the storm.
celdon25 2y ago
Except the boat's keel was found to be raised, which is a suspicious red flag here.
- defen 2y ago
  > Except the boat's keel was found to be raised Can you explain what that means? Like...I vaguely know what a keel is, but what does it mean for it to be raised? Who raises it, and how, or what could have caused it to be raised? What keel configuration would not have been a red flag?
  - mermaidnico 2y ago
    The keel is a blade on the bottom of the boat for stability. The built in ones tend to slow down performance, so newer boats have adjustable keels that raise and lower. If the keel had been extended, it would’ve lowered the boat’s center of gravity and given more stability. In a water spout however, not sure anything could’ve been helped. They needed to spend the night on land.
  - _whiteCaps_ 2y ago
    Some (usually larger) boats can have movable keels - lifting or swing. It's usually controlled by hydraulics. If it's in rough weather you'd expect it to be fully extended to lower the centre of gravity. They're lifted when going into shallower areas.
- cpncrunch 2y ago
  According to this article, it was partially raised, and that would be normal when going into a port: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/21/within-a-few-minutes-there-was-nothing-left-sailors-on-sinking-of-bayesian-superyacht https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/21/within...
notatoad 2y ago
>There are 15 survivors including the Captain, so I doubt foul play. doesn't that make it even more suspicious? the boat goes down, most of the people on it survive, but the guy who ripped off HP and his banker and his lawyer all died. if you wanted to believe that the ship was sailed into a storm and the sinking was used as cover for a murder, it seems more plausible this way than if everybody on the ship had died. (to be clear, i don't really believe this is what happened. just trying to figure out why the captain surviving makes it less likely to be foul play)
- jongjong 2y ago
  Maybe they saw the storm coming towards them and they panicked and committed suicide.
- gizajob 2y ago
  HP aren’t the mafia. Proved by jury trial that it wasn’t his fault if HP overvalued his company. Caveat emptor.

cj 2y ago

It sounds a bit less like a conspiracy theory if you consider that the yacht trip was meant to celebrate winning the legal case. Which explains why key people involved in the legal case are missing... they were on the yacht. The only real coincidence is the land and sea accidents happening around the same time.

tedunangst 2y ago

Who were you expecting to be on the yacht?

lr1970 2y ago

> Jonathan Bloomer, chairman of investment bank Morgan Stanley International and wife Judy Bloomer. I am curious, was Morgan Stanley International on that HP deal with Mr Lynch in some capacity?

eurotexan 2y ago
Bloomer was head of audit committee at Autonomy, the company in question…