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Shade is not expensive, at the simplest form it is three poles with a stretched canopy, all new playgrounds in Florid have at least that

stavros 2y ago
Isn't the simplest form a tree?
- senkora 2y ago
  Trees probably need more maintenance, and mature trees are very expensive.
  - timschmidt 2y ago
    The best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago. The second best time is today.
- hasbot 2y ago
  A tree that produces effective shade takes on the order of 20 years to grow and often requires watering and protection to get established.
  - pvaldes 2y ago
    That is still a bargain for the services that the tree provides. The best "premium shadow package" available on the market. Comprises: filtered light, relaxing breeze sounds, noise blocker, chirping birds and flowers, dumb squirrels frolicking around and fresh soil, all in the same package for just ten dollars a sapling. In any case, hedges don't need 20 years to grow.
    - hasbot 2y ago
      $10 for a sapling is extremely cheap. That's more in the line of what you can expect to pay for a 2 year old seedling (ref: https://monroecd.org/tree-sale-2024/ https://monroecd.org/tree-sale-2024/). But I agree. I've planted 10k+ seedlings (most not personally; I hired a crew). It's actually fun to watch them grow. Douglas Firs take about 5 years to grow to 5' (from 18"). After that, they grow 3'+ a year. Not being a food source, they don't attract wildlife though nor do they have flowers.
      - pvaldes 2y ago
        > $10 for a sapling is extremely cheap Will depend a lot on species, age and season of the year. Conifers are more expensive because can't be sold at fall as naked-root trees.
- d13 2y ago
  Yes, you’re absolutely correct.
shiroiushi 2y ago
Canopies are made of fabric and degrade; they need maintenance and replacement, which isn't going to happen in America. Instead, they'll be put up once (at great expense, with some company profiting handsomely, and it just so happens that company is owned by the brother of someone important on the city council), and then just left there. After a few years, there will be holes in the canopy and it'll look like the movie "I Am Legend" (where the city degrades quickly because all the people are gone and no one's doing maintenance), and no one will want to play there. Parents will complain, but the city will push back because fixing it requires demolishing and rebuilding the entire playground, which is very expensive and not in the city's budget.
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- defrost 2y ago
  They're relatively cheap and easy to replace, having a neighbourhood play action committee can handle the costs every five years to a decade with regular bake sales. What's more of an issue is > Canopies are made of [ Plastic ] fabric typically knitted polyethylene blend | woven polypropylene. The degradation of tens of thousands of kilometers of plastic shadecloth each year is a big source of microplastics in the environment .. which has been getting some bad press of late.
  - SkyPuncher 2y ago
    It’s fine in my backyard, but nearly every public playground barely gets enough attention as it is.

stavros 2y ago

Isn't the simplest form a tree?

senkora 2y ago
Trees probably need more maintenance, and mature trees are very expensive.
- timschmidt 2y ago
  The best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago. The second best time is today.
hasbot 2y ago
A tree that produces effective shade takes on the order of 20 years to grow and often requires watering and protection to get established.
- pvaldes 2y ago
  That is still a bargain for the services that the tree provides. The best "premium shadow package" available on the market. Comprises: filtered light, relaxing breeze sounds, noise blocker, chirping birds and flowers, dumb squirrels frolicking around and fresh soil, all in the same package for just ten dollars a sapling. In any case, hedges don't need 20 years to grow.
  - hasbot 2y ago
    $10 for a sapling is extremely cheap. That's more in the line of what you can expect to pay for a 2 year old seedling (ref: https://monroecd.org/tree-sale-2024/ https://monroecd.org/tree-sale-2024/). But I agree. I've planted 10k+ seedlings (most not personally; I hired a crew). It's actually fun to watch them grow. Douglas Firs take about 5 years to grow to 5' (from 18"). After that, they grow 3'+ a year. Not being a food source, they don't attract wildlife though nor do they have flowers.
    - pvaldes 2y ago
      > $10 for a sapling is extremely cheap Will depend a lot on species, age and season of the year. Conifers are more expensive because can't be sold at fall as naked-root trees.
d13 2y ago
Yes, you’re absolutely correct.

shiroiushi 2y ago

Canopies are made of fabric and degrade; they need maintenance and replacement, which isn't going to happen in America. Instead, they'll be put up once (at great expense, with some company profiting handsomely, and it just so happens that company is owned by the brother of someone important on the city council), and then just left there. After a few years, there will be holes in the canopy and it'll look like the movie "I Am Legend" (where the city degrades quickly because all the people are gone and no one's doing maintenance), and no one will want to play there. Parents will complain, but the city will push back because fixing it requires demolishing and rebuilding the entire playground, which is very expensive and not in the city's budget.

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defrost 2y ago
They're relatively cheap and easy to replace, having a neighbourhood play action committee can handle the costs every five years to a decade with regular bake sales. What's more of an issue is > Canopies are made of [ Plastic ] fabric typically knitted polyethylene blend | woven polypropylene. The degradation of tens of thousands of kilometers of plastic shadecloth each year is a big source of microplastics in the environment .. which has been getting some bad press of late.
- SkyPuncher 2y ago
  It’s fine in my backyard, but nearly every public playground barely gets enough attention as it is.