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The linked PDF (Storm-2035 [1]) from Microsoft is more detailed and interesting than the blog post. However, what's missing from the reports is how they detecte

The linked PDF (Storm-2035 [1]) from Microsoft is more detailed and interesting than the blog post. However, what's missing from the reports is how they detected those operations and how they tied them to different groups. There's a lot of claims being made without showing all of the supporting evidence. To give them the benefit of the doubt, they likely want to keep their detection methods secret to make circumvention more difficult. And it all sounds totally plausible of course. But at the same time, a degree of skepticism is warranted because Microsoft has a huge incentive to fearmonger about AI so they can lock it down and capture the market. And what better way is there than to use the usual bogeymen to do so. [1] https://cdn-dynmedia-1.microsoft.com/is/content/microsoftcorp/microsoft/final/en-us/microsoft-brand/documents/5bc57431-a7a9-49ad-944d-b93b7d35d0fc.pdf https://cdn-dynmedia-1.microsoft.com/is/content/microsoftcor...

com2kid 2y ago
Having worked at Microsoft for almost a decade, I remember chatting with their security people plenty after meetings. One interesting thing I learned is that Microsoft (and all the other top tech companies presumably) are under constant Advanced Persistent Threat from state actors. From literal secret agents getting jobs and working undercover for a decade+ to obtain seniority, to physical penetration attempts (some buildings on MS campus used to have armed security, before Cloud server farms were a thing!). Microsoft is one of the few companies that goes toe to toe with world governments every day of the year. And I imagine balancing that next to all the engineers who demand admin access everywhere is a royal pain! Although the best Government VS Business story I heard was during intern orientation at Boeing about French agents breaking into Boeing employee's hotel rooms during a conference in France while the employees were out to dinner, and going through laptops. One of the employees returned earlier than expected, and the men in suits shut the laptop, turned around and walked out of the room w/o saying anything!
- r3db34rd 2y ago
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- BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
  > Microsoft is one of the few companies that goes toe to toe with world governments every day of the year. It's also the company which was the first and longest member of PRISM, meaning very deep ties to the less savory parts of the US gov and {five,nine,fourteen} eyes. I know it's a boring advice, but I'd take this kind of declaration with a truckload of salt.
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defamation 2y ago
I remember a blogpost from OpenAI maybe a year ago that went into great detail about how they find these bad actors.

com2kid 2y ago

Having worked at Microsoft for almost a decade, I remember chatting with their security people plenty after meetings. One interesting thing I learned is that Microsoft (and all the other top tech companies presumably) are under constant Advanced Persistent Threat from state actors. From literal secret agents getting jobs and working undercover for a decade+ to obtain seniority, to physical penetration attempts (some buildings on MS campus used to have armed security, before Cloud server farms were a thing!). Microsoft is one of the few companies that goes toe to toe with world governments every day of the year. And I imagine balancing that next to all the engineers who demand admin access everywhere is a royal pain! Although the best Government VS Business story I heard was during intern orientation at Boeing about French agents breaking into Boeing employee's hotel rooms during a conference in France while the employees were out to dinner, and going through laptops. One of the employees returned earlier than expected, and the men in suits shut the laptop, turned around and walked out of the room w/o saying anything!

r3db34rd 2y ago
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BoingBoomTschak 2y ago
> Microsoft is one of the few companies that goes toe to toe with world governments every day of the year. It's also the company which was the first and longest member of PRISM, meaning very deep ties to the less savory parts of the US gov and {five,nine,fourteen} eyes. I know it's a boring advice, but I'd take this kind of declaration with a truckload of salt.

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defamation 2y ago

I remember a blogpost from OpenAI maybe a year ago that went into great detail about how they find these bad actors.