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Another reason for NOT self hosting: I want the passwords for my family to be available in the event something happens to me. The probability of Bitwarden being

by cdman 2y ago

Another reason for NOT self hosting: I want the passwords for my family to be available in the event something happens to me. The probability of Bitwarden being more resilient (at least mid-term) is much higher than any self hosting solution I would come up with.

tjoff 2y ago
The passwords are still stored client side, they won't disappear. Your family won't be able to add new passwords, but they can export them at their leisure.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  It's often not possible to open a vault until internet access is restored
  - Macha 2y ago
    In which client? There's no technical requirement for that to be so. I do find the Firefox browser extension sometimes logs me out (this is separate to the vault lock timer which just asks for a password, the extension basically resets to asking for a user ID)
  - lern_too_spel 2y ago
    If you've opened it once on a device and haven't logged out, the encrypted vault is still available on that device and can be unlocked and read. You just can't modify it. There were bugs in the browser extension that made it log out without the user asking it to, but those should be fixed.
    - saintfire 2y ago
      I had the Firefox extension log me out yesterday while I had no internet connection. I'd say if it is a problem being fixed, it is not across the board yet.
  - sethammons 2y ago
    I've never had that issue in multiple years with spotty internet. What I have is clients that stay out of date and don't always immediately sync. Even when the Internet is fine. Sometimes even a restart wont force a sync.
- jasode 2y ago
  >The passwords are still stored client side, they won't disappear. Offline access in Bitwarden client only works for 30 days. : https://bitwarden.com/blog/configuring-bitwarden-clients-for-offline-access/#:~:text=Offline%20Vault%20sessions%20will%20expire%20after%2030%20days https://bitwarden.com/blog/configuring-bitwarden-clients-for.... This was one of the main reasons why I switched from self-hosted Vaultwarden to KeePass.
candiddevmike 2y ago
Periodically print out the passwords that are important and put them somewhere? Won't you have this issue with any slightly sophisticated tool?
afavour 2y ago
This is genuinely an underrated problem. This extends to a bunch of tech things in my life… if our Plex server were to fail everyone would be able to survive but we have a whole smart home setup with Home Assistant and if that fails the lights are going to stop turning on correctly. I’ve made a pact with a similarly techy friend of mine that should something happen to either of us the other will step in and maintain in the short term, transition to something more hands off in the long term. But I still pay for Bitwarden for that extra level of reassurance.

by cdman 2y ago

tjoff 2y ago

The passwords are still stored client side, they won't disappear. Your family won't be able to add new passwords, but they can export them at their leisure.

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
It's often not possible to open a vault until internet access is restored
- Macha 2y ago
  In which client? There's no technical requirement for that to be so. I do find the Firefox browser extension sometimes logs me out (this is separate to the vault lock timer which just asks for a password, the extension basically resets to asking for a user ID)
- lern_too_spel 2y ago
  If you've opened it once on a device and haven't logged out, the encrypted vault is still available on that device and can be unlocked and read. You just can't modify it. There were bugs in the browser extension that made it log out without the user asking it to, but those should be fixed.
  - saintfire 2y ago
    I had the Firefox extension log me out yesterday while I had no internet connection. I'd say if it is a problem being fixed, it is not across the board yet.
- sethammons 2y ago
  I've never had that issue in multiple years with spotty internet. What I have is clients that stay out of date and don't always immediately sync. Even when the Internet is fine. Sometimes even a restart wont force a sync.
jasode 2y ago
>The passwords are still stored client side, they won't disappear. Offline access in Bitwarden client only works for 30 days. : https://bitwarden.com/blog/configuring-bitwarden-clients-for-offline-access/#:~:text=Offline%20Vault%20sessions%20will%20expire%20after%2030%20days https://bitwarden.com/blog/configuring-bitwarden-clients-for.... This was one of the main reasons why I switched from self-hosted Vaultwarden to KeePass.

candiddevmike 2y ago

Periodically print out the passwords that are important and put them somewhere? Won't you have this issue with any slightly sophisticated tool?

afavour 2y ago

This is genuinely an underrated problem. This extends to a bunch of tech things in my life… if our Plex server were to fail everyone would be able to survive but we have a whole smart home setup with Home Assistant and if that fails the lights are going to stop turning on correctly. I’ve made a pact with a similarly techy friend of mine that should something happen to either of us the other will step in and maintain in the short term, transition to something more hands off in the long term. But I still pay for Bitwarden for that extra level of reassurance.