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because getting an ID costs money and time that most poor americans do not have. The poorest americans that work multiple jobs are simply not able to afford to

because getting an ID costs money and time that most poor americans do not have. The poorest americans that work multiple jobs are simply not able to afford to take time off work to do this.

xtracto 2y ago
The time thing makes sense, although there are poor mexican people that have no trouble getting an ID over here . Regarding cost, it should be paid by the state. At least it's so in Mexico
big-green-man 2y ago
This is an absolutely nutso take. Nobody buys it, I don't know how it even continues to be repeated aloud anymore. You cannot function in the united States without a government ID. I have known (and been) the poorest of the poor in the US and have never, ever, met a person over the age of 18 without a government ID. Not a single one. You need one to drive, to buy beer, to get lottery tickets, to get government benefits, to get a job, you need an ID for everything. Someone who can't take time off work to get an ID most certainly can't take time off to go vote.
- nathanaldensr 2y ago
  Exactly. It's an oft-repeated talking point accepted as fact but with absolutely no facts to back it up. It identifies the speaker as being of a certain political persuasion and as a non-critical thinker.
- 7e 2y ago
  Your ID may not have your correct address, because you recently moved. Heck, I know people who have moved across state borders and gone years without updating their ID. In that case you can still use it to work, buy alcohol, drive, get government benefits, etc., but you still might need to spend four hours at the DMV in order to use it to vote, because your ballot is customized to your particular city/neighborhood. So, it's still a tax/restriction which can prevent voter participation.
  - big-green-man 2y ago
    I have had the wrong address on my drivers license deliberately my whole life and still to this day it has never stopped me from voting.
- tzs 2y ago
  https://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERICANS-WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf https://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERI... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jul/11/eric-holder/eric-holder-says-recent-studies-show-25-percent-af/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jul/11/eric-holde... https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-f... https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/Minority_Voting_Access_2018.pdf https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/Minority_Voting_Access... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a... https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/4/7157037/us-voter-id-requirements https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/4/7157037/us-voter-id-req... https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-getting-the-right-id-can-be-especially-tough https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-ge... https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-hard-people-get-photo-id-just-vote/ https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-... https://www.theregreview.org/2019/01/08/shapiro-moran-burden-voter-identification/ https://www.theregreview.org/2019/01/08/shapiro-moran-burden... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-vote-in-states-with-voter-id-laws/458109/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-h... https://scholars.org/contribution/high-cost-free-photo-voter-identifications https://scholars.org/contribution/high-cost-free-photo-voter... https://now.tufts.edu/2018/01/23/proving-voter-id-laws-discriminating-intent https://now.tufts.edu/2018/01/23/proving-voter-id-laws-discr...
SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
How curious is it that it requires ID to get into a Harris campaign event, where they talk about how voter id would be racist? Why is it not racist or discriminatory against poor people in the rest of the world?
- tzs 2y ago
  The rest of the world tends to have one national ID system per country, and they tend to be easy to obtain, and the government considers it to be important to try to make sure everyone who should have one does have one.

because getting an ID costs money and time that most poor americans do not have. The poorest americans that work multiple jobs are simply not able to afford to take time off work to do this.

xtracto 2y ago

The time thing makes sense, although there are poor mexican people that have no trouble getting an ID over here . Regarding cost, it should be paid by the state. At least it's so in Mexico

big-green-man 2y ago

This is an absolutely nutso take. Nobody buys it, I don't know how it even continues to be repeated aloud anymore. You cannot function in the united States without a government ID. I have known (and been) the poorest of the poor in the US and have never, ever, met a person over the age of 18 without a government ID. Not a single one. You need one to drive, to buy beer, to get lottery tickets, to get government benefits, to get a job, you need an ID for everything. Someone who can't take time off work to get an ID most certainly can't take time off to go vote.

nathanaldensr 2y ago
Exactly. It's an oft-repeated talking point accepted as fact but with absolutely no facts to back it up. It identifies the speaker as being of a certain political persuasion and as a non-critical thinker.
7e 2y ago
Your ID may not have your correct address, because you recently moved. Heck, I know people who have moved across state borders and gone years without updating their ID. In that case you can still use it to work, buy alcohol, drive, get government benefits, etc., but you still might need to spend four hours at the DMV in order to use it to vote, because your ballot is customized to your particular city/neighborhood. So, it's still a tax/restriction which can prevent voter participation.
- big-green-man 2y ago
  I have had the wrong address on my drivers license deliberately my whole life and still to this day it has never stopped me from voting.
tzs 2y ago
https://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERICANS-WITH-PHOTO-ID-Research-Memo-February-2015.pdf https://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERI... https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jul/11/eric-holder/eric-holder-says-recent-studies-show-25-percent-af/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jul/11/eric-holde... https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-f... https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/Minority_Voting_Access_2018.pdf https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/Minority_Voting_Access... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a... https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/4/7157037/us-voter-id-requirements https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/4/7157037/us-voter-id-req... https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-getting-the-right-id-can-be-especially-tough https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-ge... https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-hard-people-get-photo-id-just-vote/ https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-... https://www.theregreview.org/2019/01/08/shapiro-moran-burden-voter-identification/ https://www.theregreview.org/2019/01/08/shapiro-moran-burden... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-vote-in-states-with-voter-id-laws/458109/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-h... https://scholars.org/contribution/high-cost-free-photo-voter-identifications https://scholars.org/contribution/high-cost-free-photo-voter... https://now.tufts.edu/2018/01/23/proving-voter-id-laws-discriminating-intent https://now.tufts.edu/2018/01/23/proving-voter-id-laws-discr...

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago

How curious is it that it requires ID to get into a Harris campaign event, where they talk about how voter id would be racist? Why is it not racist or discriminatory against poor people in the rest of the world?

tzs 2y ago
The rest of the world tends to have one national ID system per country, and they tend to be easy to obtain, and the government considers it to be important to try to make sure everyone who should have one does have one.