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With all the hidden fees and exorbitant cleaning fees, I think it is much cheaper to book a hotel than an airbnb nowadays. No wonder demand is going down.

notesinthefield 2y ago
It tends to succeed in a few situations for me - vacations in backcountry areas, a backup to Hipcamp for campsites and getting a single room. I have found bizarrely it is not cheaper to find a comparable hotel unless the destination is popular.
garciasn 2y ago
It makes a lot of sense if I am traveling with more than two, staying more than two nights, and I want to cook my own meals and/or do laundry. I’m traveling to upstate NY for a wedding during the fall. All of the shitty motels and hotels were $350/night and Airbnb was $400, but I ended up with a lot more comfort and creature comforts as well as it being 20 mins closer than any of the chain hotels; those are the only reason I chose it for a one-night stay.
bamboozled 2y ago
It's like tech people have to relearn why we had age old things in the first place. We're starting to workout why hotels are a good idea now. I saw Elon Musk questioning why we have medical regulations the other day, he was saying that it "slows down innovation" and so he thinks medical regulation should be abolished. He did the same for content moderation on his platform. Well I don't agree that regulations stifle innovation, they might slow down the rollout of innovative products, but there is a very good reason why regulation was established in the first place. Could it be better? Yes.
- nvy 2y ago
  >I saw Elon Musk questioning why we have medical regulations the other day, he was saying that it "slows down innovation" and so he thinks medical regulation should be abolished Is he just posturing for his fans? I see so many statements of this nature from him and I just can't believe that a person that successful can be so monumentally stupid.
  - mandevil 2y ago
    “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
  - jpalawaga 2y ago
    I see many, many tech people take an extremely simple position on a topic contrary to general knowledge. Then they say something like 'I believe in strongly held beliefs, held weakly'. I'm so bored of debating people with opinions on things they've spent zero time researching or even thinking about. Just say you don't know. It's okay.
    - ineedaj0b 2y ago
      this is like complaining about small talk. small talk is meant to draw people in. same with saying outrageous things. no one wants to chat in depth immediately and saying wild things draws a crowd. no one is going to talk with you if you're drawing out all the nuance of medical regulation (nearly an 5k essay to broach) with nuance.
      - phs318u 2y ago
        > no one is going to talk with you if you're drawing out all the nuance of medical regulation Then why should anyone talk with you about it? What would be the point?
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    As a 'captain of industry' and generally wealthy man, Musk is much more constrained by regulation than he is protected by it. Unlike the common man. So he's responding to his incentives, railing at the constraints on the ingenuity and productivity of people like himself. Likely underdeveloped empathy does not help.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      Bingo, a guy like him probably has a team of doctors looking after him, any bad advice probably won't hurt him like it would hurt anyone else.
- avery17 2y ago
  Safety regulations are frequently written in blood.
  - roenxi 2y ago
    If writing something in blood made it correct I'd keep a pot of mouse blood handy for math tests. The fact that safety regulation is written in blood is one of the tells that it is overdone - it should be written with a dispassionate and distant consideration of the costs and benefits. The major argument for rolling back most safety regulations is the fact they are written in blood during what was, effectively, a moral panic. Just tightening the regulations every time something goes wrong leads, ironically, to bad outcomes. The optimum state is to tolerate some level of risk.
- ineedaj0b 2y ago
  The popular talking point is the FDA slowing things down. The large criticism given by most is the FDA not allowing drugs already approved by other large foreign medical regulation to be used, like the NHS or Australia's review body. There is moderation on Twitter today things do occasionally get removed like death threats and the ilk. You're likely misremembering his 'medical regulation = bad' arguments, and misremembering his twitter content policies as well.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  I think it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so on-brand for Elon that he has a company that is designing brain-computer interfaces as an implant and while, to be clear, Neuralink obviously has medical and research leadership, not one of them is flagged on the company's website. Their "company" section is literally Blog and Careers.
addaon 2y ago
You can use the Australian AirBNB site to see all-fees-included prices, sort by them, etc.
paxys 2y ago
If you just need a room for the night, sure, of course you should book a hotel. Airbnb never made sense in that case to begin with. For a slightly higher price, however, Airbnb gets you a 1 bedroom apartment (or 2-4 rooms for an entire group) plus a living room, functioning kitchen, multiple bathrooms, and depending on the property a private patio, pool etc. No hotel can compete with that.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > If you just need a room for the night, sure, of course you should book a hotel. Airbnb never made sense in that case to begin with. That was literally the origin story and first iteration. "Crash on someone's couch or in their spare bedroom."
  - paxys 2y ago
    People still put spare rooms in their house on Airbnb, and you can still book them. It will be a lot cheaper than a hotel. But that's not what anyone really means when they are talking about Airbnb anymore. The vast majority are looking for a private space.

notesinthefield 2y ago

It tends to succeed in a few situations for me - vacations in backcountry areas, a backup to Hipcamp for campsites and getting a single room. I have found bizarrely it is not cheaper to find a comparable hotel unless the destination is popular.

garciasn 2y ago

It makes a lot of sense if I am traveling with more than two, staying more than two nights, and I want to cook my own meals and/or do laundry. I’m traveling to upstate NY for a wedding during the fall. All of the shitty motels and hotels were $350/night and Airbnb was $400, but I ended up with a lot more comfort and creature comforts as well as it being 20 mins closer than any of the chain hotels; those are the only reason I chose it for a one-night stay.

bamboozled 2y ago

It's like tech people have to relearn why we had age old things in the first place. We're starting to workout why hotels are a good idea now. I saw Elon Musk questioning why we have medical regulations the other day, he was saying that it "slows down innovation" and so he thinks medical regulation should be abolished. He did the same for content moderation on his platform. Well I don't agree that regulations stifle innovation, they might slow down the rollout of innovative products, but there is a very good reason why regulation was established in the first place. Could it be better? Yes.

nvy 2y ago
>I saw Elon Musk questioning why we have medical regulations the other day, he was saying that it "slows down innovation" and so he thinks medical regulation should be abolished Is he just posturing for his fans? I see so many statements of this nature from him and I just can't believe that a person that successful can be so monumentally stupid.
- mandevil 2y ago
  “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Mother Night
- jpalawaga 2y ago
  I see many, many tech people take an extremely simple position on a topic contrary to general knowledge. Then they say something like 'I believe in strongly held beliefs, held weakly'. I'm so bored of debating people with opinions on things they've spent zero time researching or even thinking about. Just say you don't know. It's okay.
  - ineedaj0b 2y ago
    this is like complaining about small talk. small talk is meant to draw people in. same with saying outrageous things. no one wants to chat in depth immediately and saying wild things draws a crowd. no one is going to talk with you if you're drawing out all the nuance of medical regulation (nearly an 5k essay to broach) with nuance.
    - phs318u 2y ago
      > no one is going to talk with you if you're drawing out all the nuance of medical regulation Then why should anyone talk with you about it? What would be the point?
- Sabinus 2y ago
  As a 'captain of industry' and generally wealthy man, Musk is much more constrained by regulation than he is protected by it. Unlike the common man. So he's responding to his incentives, railing at the constraints on the ingenuity and productivity of people like himself. Likely underdeveloped empathy does not help.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    Bingo, a guy like him probably has a team of doctors looking after him, any bad advice probably won't hurt him like it would hurt anyone else.
avery17 2y ago
Safety regulations are frequently written in blood.
- roenxi 2y ago
  If writing something in blood made it correct I'd keep a pot of mouse blood handy for math tests. The fact that safety regulation is written in blood is one of the tells that it is overdone - it should be written with a dispassionate and distant consideration of the costs and benefits. The major argument for rolling back most safety regulations is the fact they are written in blood during what was, effectively, a moral panic. Just tightening the regulations every time something goes wrong leads, ironically, to bad outcomes. The optimum state is to tolerate some level of risk.
ineedaj0b 2y ago
The popular talking point is the FDA slowing things down. The large criticism given by most is the FDA not allowing drugs already approved by other large foreign medical regulation to be used, like the NHS or Australia's review body. There is moderation on Twitter today things do occasionally get removed like death threats and the ilk. You're likely misremembering his 'medical regulation = bad' arguments, and misremembering his twitter content policies as well.
FireBeyond 2y ago
I think it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so on-brand for Elon that he has a company that is designing brain-computer interfaces as an implant and while, to be clear, Neuralink obviously has medical and research leadership, not one of them is flagged on the company's website. Their "company" section is literally Blog and Careers.

addaon 2y ago

You can use the Australian AirBNB site to see all-fees-included prices, sort by them, etc.

paxys 2y ago

If you just need a room for the night, sure, of course you should book a hotel. Airbnb never made sense in that case to begin with. For a slightly higher price, however, Airbnb gets you a 1 bedroom apartment (or 2-4 rooms for an entire group) plus a living room, functioning kitchen, multiple bathrooms, and depending on the property a private patio, pool etc. No hotel can compete with that.

FireBeyond 2y ago
> If you just need a room for the night, sure, of course you should book a hotel. Airbnb never made sense in that case to begin with. That was literally the origin story and first iteration. "Crash on someone's couch or in their spare bedroom."
- paxys 2y ago
  People still put spare rooms in their house on Airbnb, and you can still book them. It will be a lot cheaper than a hotel. But that's not what anyone really means when they are talking about Airbnb anymore. The vast majority are looking for a private space.