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my friend, who just graduated with a PhD in astrophysics from Princeton, and is now a postdoc at Berkeley. She http://www.google.com/search?q=princeton+affirma

my friend, who just graduated with a PhD in astrophysics from Princeton, and is now a postdoc at Berkeley. She http://www.google.com/search?q=princeton+affirmative+action+gender http://www.google.com/search?q=princeton+affirmative+action+... http://www.google.com/search?q=berkeley+affirmative+action+gender http://www.google.com/search?q=berkeley+affirmative+action+g... Please post your friend's relevant scores (SAT, GRE, etc.).

ReverendBayes 18y ago
Because there is no way a woman could be that smart, is there? Oh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant She must have the longest ring finger on the planet, yeah, that's it.
- mistermann 18y ago
  You're jumping to a conclusion. I think its fair to say that the the point the anti-"we are all equal" camp is trying to make is that men have higer representation on the ends of the bell curve. People at both ends (the truly brilliant and truly unable) of the bell curve are largely skewed towards men. Not entirely, but highly disproportionately. This is a perfectly viable explanation for the lack of female leaders in most any field. And freedom of academic choice and opportunities for several decades now, at least in the west, hasn't seemed to change the result, which would seem to reinforce this theory, whereas it would seem to discount the environment argument, in my opinion. I don't think any of us have asserted that women can't be brilliant and compete head to head with men, but if you are looking at any field of expertise, with equal numbers of male and female participants, the top one to five percent of people will almost always be disproportionately men, consistently across fields, over time, and it seems to continue despite changing social and cultural norms. I think the comment above calls into question the merit of your friends achievement, which will always be the result of affirmative action programs. It is well documented that affirmative action often (but not always) results in lesser skilled candidates from preferred disadvantaged classes (race, gender, etc) earning admission or appointments.
  - ReverendBayes 18y ago
    I think the comment above calls into question the merit of your friends achievement, which will always be the result of affirmative action programs. How can you say that? Do you know her or what she is capable of? It seems pure idiocy to me to suggest that every woman graduating from a premier science program is never achieving it through merit. As far as bell curves and distributions, who the hell knows? People tried to predict housing prices and stock portfolios on gaussians, and they seem to work until they don't. You cannot project your platonic ideal of how you think the world works because it seems to and then handwave on outliers.
    - DabAsteroid 18y ago
      test.
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ReverendBayes 18y ago

Because there is no way a woman could be that smart, is there? Oh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_vos_Savant She must have the longest ring finger on the planet, yeah, that's it.

mistermann 18y ago
You're jumping to a conclusion. I think its fair to say that the the point the anti-"we are all equal" camp is trying to make is that men have higer representation on the ends of the bell curve. People at both ends (the truly brilliant and truly unable) of the bell curve are largely skewed towards men. Not entirely, but highly disproportionately. This is a perfectly viable explanation for the lack of female leaders in most any field. And freedom of academic choice and opportunities for several decades now, at least in the west, hasn't seemed to change the result, which would seem to reinforce this theory, whereas it would seem to discount the environment argument, in my opinion. I don't think any of us have asserted that women can't be brilliant and compete head to head with men, but if you are looking at any field of expertise, with equal numbers of male and female participants, the top one to five percent of people will almost always be disproportionately men, consistently across fields, over time, and it seems to continue despite changing social and cultural norms. I think the comment above calls into question the merit of your friends achievement, which will always be the result of affirmative action programs. It is well documented that affirmative action often (but not always) results in lesser skilled candidates from preferred disadvantaged classes (race, gender, etc) earning admission or appointments.
- ReverendBayes 18y ago
  I think the comment above calls into question the merit of your friends achievement, which will always be the result of affirmative action programs. How can you say that? Do you know her or what she is capable of? It seems pure idiocy to me to suggest that every woman graduating from a premier science program is never achieving it through merit. As far as bell curves and distributions, who the hell knows? People tried to predict housing prices and stock portfolios on gaussians, and they seem to work until they don't. You cannot project your platonic ideal of how you think the world works because it seems to and then handwave on outliers.
  - DabAsteroid 18y ago
    test.

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