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A list of regions, was the ask of the question. If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particula

A list of regions, was the ask of the question. If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particular concern to you. Establishing a neutral zone in the southern parts would be the best option at this point. Permanent recognized sovereignty is Putin's demand -- not a "neutral zone".

coldtea 2y ago
>A list of regions, was the ask of the question. Perhaps, but others in a conversation can have their own idea of how to respond. How about that? >If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particular concern to you. The fate of the people dying there is what should be the concern. And ending the whole shitshow. As for the specific regions, that's for the peace negotiations to define, I'm pretty sure it wont be based on HN suggestions. >Permanent recognized sovereignty is Putin's demand -- not a "neutral zone" Didn't you start by accepting that when you're losing a war, you make concessions? As far as concessions go, a sovereign buffer zone is a pretty low bar. The populations of Russian ethnic origin in those weren't exactly in love with Kiev either, to begin with.
- racional 2y ago
  Sounds like you basically haven't thought too much about the matter, then.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    You'd be surprised. Nor is the question "which specific new borders / regions to give up" any sign of deep thinking of the matter. Tracking the history, politics, and geoplitics behind the issue over time, for the past decades at least, is what requires the actual deep thinking.
    - mistermann 2y ago
      Isn't it interesting how thinking capabilities of Humans change depending on the topic? I mean, it is right in front of our faces in high resolution, all day everyday, both dumb people and "smart" people. It's weird that this gets so little attention since it likely is a massive driver of war and other negative things in the system. It's almost like there's some sort of force that prevents us from thinking about such things. But what could that force(s) be? Also: is it a hard limitation, or only a lack of discovery?
    - racional 2y ago
      And yet you still couldn't come up with a straight answer.
      - mistermann 2y ago
        If you expect perfect gameplay from others, demonstrate it yourself first please. Also: please do not make up rules and assert them as mandatory. Also: which is worse, an imperfect answer, or a refusal to answer?
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        [flagged]
        racional 2y ago
        Of all all this supposedly anti-war / anti-imperialist but ultimately pro-tankie sentiment never ceases.
        protomolecule 2y ago
        I have no idea what you mean. But the fact that of all people it's you [0] who is insisting on "straight answer" is ironic. And hilarious. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41095442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41095442
      - coldtea 2y ago
        Maybe because I've answered several times about the core of the subject, and you insist on the stupid "give me a specific set of regions" question, as giving a list will change anything. Sorry, I'm not your bitch. The exact set of borders will be decided by negotiations, and even what cities will be included, end of story. If needs be, all major currently captured cities, will have to be included (they were already part of the previous negotiations/conditions anyway). I mean, "If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particular concern to you." - really? What are we, 12 year olds? It's a BS question so that you can gloat "ah, so you want X or Y taken away" - it wont be dignified.

coldtea 2y ago

>A list of regions, was the ask of the question. Perhaps, but others in a conversation can have their own idea of how to respond. How about that? >If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particular concern to you. The fate of the people dying there is what should be the concern. And ending the whole shitshow. As for the specific regions, that's for the peace negotiations to define, I'm pretty sure it wont be based on HN suggestions. >Permanent recognized sovereignty is Putin's demand -- not a "neutral zone" Didn't you start by accepting that when you're losing a war, you make concessions? As far as concessions go, a sovereign buffer zone is a pretty low bar. The populations of Russian ethnic origin in those weren't exactly in love with Kiev either, to begin with.

racional 2y ago
Sounds like you basically haven't thought too much about the matter, then.
- coldtea 2y ago
  You'd be surprised. Nor is the question "which specific new borders / regions to give up" any sign of deep thinking of the matter. Tracking the history, politics, and geoplitics behind the issue over time, for the past decades at least, is what requires the actual deep thinking.
  - mistermann 2y ago
    Isn't it interesting how thinking capabilities of Humans change depending on the topic? I mean, it is right in front of our faces in high resolution, all day everyday, both dumb people and "smart" people. It's weird that this gets so little attention since it likely is a massive driver of war and other negative things in the system. It's almost like there's some sort of force that prevents us from thinking about such things. But what could that force(s) be? Also: is it a hard limitation, or only a lack of discovery?
  - racional 2y ago
    And yet you still couldn't come up with a straight answer.
    - mistermann 2y ago
      If you expect perfect gameplay from others, demonstrate it yourself first please. Also: please do not make up rules and assert them as mandatory. Also: which is worse, an imperfect answer, or a refusal to answer?
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - racional 2y ago
        Of all all this supposedly anti-war / anti-imperialist but ultimately pro-tankie sentiment never ceases.
        protomolecule 2y ago
        I have no idea what you mean. But the fact that of all people it's you [0] who is insisting on "straight answer" is ironic. And hilarious. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41095442 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41095442
    - coldtea 2y ago
      Maybe because I've answered several times about the core of the subject, and you insist on the stupid "give me a specific set of regions" question, as giving a list will change anything. Sorry, I'm not your bitch. The exact set of borders will be decided by negotiations, and even what cities will be included, end of story. If needs be, all major currently captured cities, will have to be included (they were already part of the previous negotiations/conditions anyway). I mean, "If you can't provide a straight answer -- then the fate of the people living there is obviously of no particular concern to you." - really? What are we, 12 year olds? It's a BS question so that you can gloat "ah, so you want X or Y taken away" - it wont be dignified.