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Most of the citrus growers are just selling off their land for housing developments. Florida is still experiencing high growth. A lot of that growth is older p

Most of the citrus growers are just selling off their land for housing developments. Florida is still experiencing high growth. A lot of that growth is older populations trying to avoid state taxes on their retirement income. These people don't need to live near industrialized areas. They just want to live near other older populations.

PaulHoule 2y ago
I am hearing from people who are interested in going there but perceiving it is "full", that is has gotten so crowded and crazy that it is better to retire in place.
- imchillyb 2y ago
  I live in FL, that take is FUD from those with vested interests in taxable incomes. FL is a great place to retire, and no state income tax is only one out of 1,000s of reasons to move to FL instead of where you're currently residing. If you're a remote worker, or retired you just can't beat Florida's no income tax, great climate, and affordable living. If someone is telling you different, they're trying to sell you something. We don't have to sell anyone on Florida, here, as it sells itself many times over.
  - lo_zamoyski 2y ago
    > We don't have to sell anyone on Florida but... > FL is a great place to retire, and no state income tax is only one out of 1,000s of reasons to move to FL instead of where you're currently residing. > If you're a remote worker, or retired you just can't beat Florida's no income tax, great climate, and affordable living.
  - msluyter 2y ago
    Orlando resident here. Disagree with "great climate" and "affordable living." I honestly don't understand those who say Florida has great weather. We have basically two seasons: Wet season: Hot and humid. Being outside after ~10am feels like being in a sauna. It rains nearly every afternoon. Usable daylight hours for outdoor activities, when you subtract the hottest part of the day and the rain time is like 3-4 hours. Dry season: Mild & less humid. Less rain. The problem is that wet season is like 6-8 months out of the year! I wouldn't call any place that's this miserable for this much of the year a place with "great climate." Yesterday, I took off work and went to Bok Tower Gardens with my family (neat place, btw). It was insanely hot and humid, and I was pretty miserable. Prior to living in Orlando I lived in Austin, TX, which is also hot but felt more comfortable because it's so much drier. And perhaps I'm bitter and making an unfair comparison, but Orlando, at least, is a cultural wasteland compared to Austin. And although real estate was luckily much less expensive when we moved here in 2021, prices have risen rapidly over the last few years and aren't quite the bargain they previously were. You can find cheap housing if you want to live in one of Orlando's many soulless exurbias, but if you want to live close to downtown or in Winter Park, prices are on par with Austin.
    - throwup238 2y ago
      > I honestly don't understand those who say Florida has great weather. Because a lot of those people are coming from areas where they get the 6-8 months of hell without good weather the rest of the year. Living in Miami after California, I had the same reaction to the weather but compared to Wisconsin or Kansas, Florida wins hands down. Being cold down to your bones for six months of the year is a special kind of hell that we in the south are a bit ignorant of. After spending two winters in Washington I would have moved to a desert island in the middle of the Pacific to get away from it.
    - bilsbie 2y ago
      Floridian here. I find November through May to be perfect weather. So that’s 7 beautiful months. Then June and and October have a least a few nice days. The summer months are brutal but I feel like it cools down faster in the evening than places like DC. I live in the Atlantic side though. I hear it’s the cooler part. Maybe you have to get out of Orlando?
  - fckflorida 2y ago
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  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONQo6BmfvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONQo6BmfvY https://www.yahoo.com/news/floridas-housing-market-seeing-nightmare-002450610.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/floridas-housing-market-seeing-ni... https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/23/half-florida-households-struggle-make-ends-meet-report-finds/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/23/ha... https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-desperately-trying-move-out-1874173 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-desperately-tryi... https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-relocating-insurance-crisis-cost-1893248 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-relocating-insur... https://www.redfin.com/news/florida-condo-prices-dropping/ https://www.redfin.com/news/florida-condo-prices-dropping/ Central Florida is "home ish" but will be moving out soon. The situation is not what you communicate it to be.
- GenerWork 2y ago
  This is a line peddled by native Floridians who don't have the skills to earn a competitive salary that they can then use to buy a house. I can only talk about Tampa and St. Pete, but neither places are "full".
  - netbioserror 2y ago
    Natives displaced by rich newcomers snatching up all the land and continuously pushing life in your own homeland out of reach...seems like solid ground on which to stand and say "we're full go away".
    - GenerWork 2y ago
      I don't buy this line. I myself cannot buy a house where I grew up due to people with money moving in, but that doesn't mean that I should be able to say "we're full" simply so I can buy a house.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      That reasoning has never worked in the history of the world. Might makes right, whether it be denominated in currency or violence.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      They literally dredge these developments out of the swamp. It’s new land they are moving to that wasn’t in play before.

PaulHoule 2y ago

I am hearing from people who are interested in going there but perceiving it is "full", that is has gotten so crowded and crazy that it is better to retire in place.

imchillyb 2y ago
I live in FL, that take is FUD from those with vested interests in taxable incomes. FL is a great place to retire, and no state income tax is only one out of 1,000s of reasons to move to FL instead of where you're currently residing. If you're a remote worker, or retired you just can't beat Florida's no income tax, great climate, and affordable living. If someone is telling you different, they're trying to sell you something. We don't have to sell anyone on Florida, here, as it sells itself many times over.
- lo_zamoyski 2y ago
  > We don't have to sell anyone on Florida but... > FL is a great place to retire, and no state income tax is only one out of 1,000s of reasons to move to FL instead of where you're currently residing. > If you're a remote worker, or retired you just can't beat Florida's no income tax, great climate, and affordable living.
- msluyter 2y ago
  Orlando resident here. Disagree with "great climate" and "affordable living." I honestly don't understand those who say Florida has great weather. We have basically two seasons: Wet season: Hot and humid. Being outside after ~10am feels like being in a sauna. It rains nearly every afternoon. Usable daylight hours for outdoor activities, when you subtract the hottest part of the day and the rain time is like 3-4 hours. Dry season: Mild & less humid. Less rain. The problem is that wet season is like 6-8 months out of the year! I wouldn't call any place that's this miserable for this much of the year a place with "great climate." Yesterday, I took off work and went to Bok Tower Gardens with my family (neat place, btw). It was insanely hot and humid, and I was pretty miserable. Prior to living in Orlando I lived in Austin, TX, which is also hot but felt more comfortable because it's so much drier. And perhaps I'm bitter and making an unfair comparison, but Orlando, at least, is a cultural wasteland compared to Austin. And although real estate was luckily much less expensive when we moved here in 2021, prices have risen rapidly over the last few years and aren't quite the bargain they previously were. You can find cheap housing if you want to live in one of Orlando's many soulless exurbias, but if you want to live close to downtown or in Winter Park, prices are on par with Austin.
  - throwup238 2y ago
    > I honestly don't understand those who say Florida has great weather. Because a lot of those people are coming from areas where they get the 6-8 months of hell without good weather the rest of the year. Living in Miami after California, I had the same reaction to the weather but compared to Wisconsin or Kansas, Florida wins hands down. Being cold down to your bones for six months of the year is a special kind of hell that we in the south are a bit ignorant of. After spending two winters in Washington I would have moved to a desert island in the middle of the Pacific to get away from it.
  - bilsbie 2y ago
    Floridian here. I find November through May to be perfect weather. So that’s 7 beautiful months. Then June and and October have a least a few nice days. The summer months are brutal but I feel like it cools down faster in the evening than places like DC. I live in the Atlantic side though. I hear it’s the cooler part. Maybe you have to get out of Orlando?
- fckflorida 2y ago
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- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONQo6BmfvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ONQo6BmfvY https://www.yahoo.com/news/floridas-housing-market-seeing-nightmare-002450610.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/floridas-housing-market-seeing-ni... https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/23/half-florida-households-struggle-make-ends-meet-report-finds/ https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2024/07/23/ha... https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-desperately-trying-move-out-1874173 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-desperately-tryi... https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-relocating-insurance-crisis-cost-1893248 https://www.newsweek.com/florida-homeowners-relocating-insur... https://www.redfin.com/news/florida-condo-prices-dropping/ https://www.redfin.com/news/florida-condo-prices-dropping/ Central Florida is "home ish" but will be moving out soon. The situation is not what you communicate it to be.
GenerWork 2y ago
This is a line peddled by native Floridians who don't have the skills to earn a competitive salary that they can then use to buy a house. I can only talk about Tampa and St. Pete, but neither places are "full".
- netbioserror 2y ago
  Natives displaced by rich newcomers snatching up all the land and continuously pushing life in your own homeland out of reach...seems like solid ground on which to stand and say "we're full go away".
  - GenerWork 2y ago
    I don't buy this line. I myself cannot buy a house where I grew up due to people with money moving in, but that doesn't mean that I should be able to say "we're full" simply so I can buy a house.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    That reasoning has never worked in the history of the world. Might makes right, whether it be denominated in currency or violence.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    They literally dredge these developments out of the swamp. It’s new land they are moving to that wasn’t in play before.