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Your answer to "Apple doesn't make a decent desktop computer" is "hack OS X's DRM to install it on unlocked hardware"?

by hexagonal 14y ago

kemiller 14y ago
There is no DRM on OS X. The only issue with Hackintoshes is drivers and hardware support.
- hexagonal 14y ago
  https://www.pcworld.com/article/182218/apple_wins_court_victory_over_mac_clone_maker_psystar.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/182218/apple_wins_court_vict... A federal judge has dealt a crushing blow to Mac clone maker Psystar by ruling that the Florida company violated Apple's copyright as well as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) when it installed Apple's operating system on Intel-based computers.
  - kamjam 14y ago
    Erm, thought all the new Macs were Intel based now?
    - hexagonal 14y ago
      Note the year. Apple had only recently switched to Intel.
      - kamjam 14y ago
        yes, i did note the year, but how is that relevant to here and now? Since they are intel based now, surely that ruling is m00t? Thanks for the downvote, shame I can't repay the favour.
        overcyn 14y ago
        apple transition to intel processors in 2006. article is written in 2009.
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  - kemiller 14y ago
    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
- eli 14y ago
  Nonsense. Of course there is DRM, it's just been thoroughly defeated by the Hackintosh community. You can't install OS X on non-Apple hardware without a hacked install disc or a hacked boot disk. Regardless, you are missing the point. I surely wouldn't install an unsupported and unlicensed OS on any of the PCs in my business.
  - kemiller 14y ago
    Adapting to an unsupported BIOS is not remotely "defeating DRM". Apple just doesn't support other firmware -- it doesn't include features deliberately meant to defeat unlicensed installs (like Windows) or any cloning (like iOS).
    - eli 14y ago
      There's a specific check to see if it's running on an Apple system and the installer halts if it detects that it is not. It does not merely "lack support" for other systems, they are deliberately not supported. Apple (I think wisely) have not wasted their time on complicated license validation schemes, but that doesn't really change anything. As with Windows activation, it would eventually be defeated anyway. Regardless, it's obviously unsupported, strongly discouraged by Apple, and at least one US court has found it to be illegal.
    - kemiller 14y ago
      I'm not arguing that it's legal, or that Apple is thrilled with it. But DRM implies something pretty specific and (in theory) harder to defeat than an "if" statement.
      - eli 14y ago
        I disagree.
- sukuriant 14y ago
  And terms of service
megablast 14y ago
As opposed to moving to Windows? Not really an option.

Your answer to "Apple doesn't make a decent desktop computer" is "hack OS X's DRM to install it on unlocked hardware"?

kemiller 14y ago

There is no DRM on OS X. The only issue with Hackintoshes is drivers and hardware support.

hexagonal 14y ago
https://www.pcworld.com/article/182218/apple_wins_court_victory_over_mac_clone_maker_psystar.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/182218/apple_wins_court_vict... A federal judge has dealt a crushing blow to Mac clone maker Psystar by ruling that the Florida company violated Apple's copyright as well as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) when it installed Apple's operating system on Intel-based computers.
- kamjam 14y ago
  Erm, thought all the new Macs were Intel based now?
  - hexagonal 14y ago
    Note the year. Apple had only recently switched to Intel.
    - kamjam 14y ago
      yes, i did note the year, but how is that relevant to here and now? Since they are intel based now, surely that ruling is m00t? Thanks for the downvote, shame I can't repay the favour.
      - overcyn 14y ago
        apple transition to intel processors in 2006. article is written in 2009.
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- kemiller 14y ago
  I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here.
eli 14y ago
Nonsense. Of course there is DRM, it's just been thoroughly defeated by the Hackintosh community. You can't install OS X on non-Apple hardware without a hacked install disc or a hacked boot disk. Regardless, you are missing the point. I surely wouldn't install an unsupported and unlicensed OS on any of the PCs in my business.
- kemiller 14y ago
  Adapting to an unsupported BIOS is not remotely "defeating DRM". Apple just doesn't support other firmware -- it doesn't include features deliberately meant to defeat unlicensed installs (like Windows) or any cloning (like iOS).
  - eli 14y ago
    There's a specific check to see if it's running on an Apple system and the installer halts if it detects that it is not. It does not merely "lack support" for other systems, they are deliberately not supported. Apple (I think wisely) have not wasted their time on complicated license validation schemes, but that doesn't really change anything. As with Windows activation, it would eventually be defeated anyway. Regardless, it's obviously unsupported, strongly discouraged by Apple, and at least one US court has found it to be illegal.
  - kemiller 14y ago
    I'm not arguing that it's legal, or that Apple is thrilled with it. But DRM implies something pretty specific and (in theory) harder to defeat than an "if" statement.
    - eli 14y ago
      I disagree.
sukuriant 14y ago
And terms of service

megablast 14y ago

As opposed to moving to Windows? Not really an option.