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Woah! Standby is working fine too? I'm a huge XPS15 advocate at work and really love these machines as a Windows developer. But the standby just doesn't work.

by m_st 2y ago

Woah! Standby is working fine too? I'm a huge XPS15 advocate at work and really love these machines as a Windows developer. But the standby just doesn't work. If I close the lid and throw it in my bag, then the battery will be empty and the bag will be hot as hell. This is a huge failure and makes me shutdown my XPS15 every evening. Which is just nonsense. I'm a Mac user at home and just never shut these laptops down ever.

chrsw 2y ago
Yes, standby is working fine. I don't have the machine in front of me now but I don't remember fiddling with any of the power settings either. It was all working after the install. I definitely run software update so that might explain why it's working so smooth too. Meanwhile, my other machine from work is a Precision workstation running Windows 10 and it gives me all kinds of power issues, more invasive updates, random restarts, random high fan RPMs, etc. Dell has already serviced the machine, twice. What a mess.
trelane 2y ago
Standby doesn't work on Windows?
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  Certainly doesn’t appear to on my thinkpad
  - trelane 2y ago
    Ouch. Maybe 2025 will finally be the year of Windows on the desktop!
    - rqtwteye 2y ago
      The year of windows on the desktop was around 2004. Since then Microsoft has diligently worked to make things worse.
- WD-42 2y ago
  Standby on windows just appears to be a cue for the OS that the user isn’t actively using the machine so it should use the time to install updates and restart itself 5 times.
- evilduck 2y ago
  Almost never in my experience.
- jasonjayr 2y ago
  In the last few years; Microsoft started pushing this "Modern standby"[1] thing, which lets the CPU run while suspended or something. IIRC it is so a PC can run background services, wifi and what not, like tablets + cell phones. It is causing so many issues, because the common use case for a laptop is to close the lid, and then stuff it into a padded bag. If anything starts up the laptop for whatever reason, all that heat is trapped in there, cooking the device. Some system BIOS are removing the option to even disable modern standby mode (vs traditional standby where just the memory was energized) 1: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
  - mananaysiempre 2y ago
    > Some system BIOS are removing the option to even disable modern standby mode The CPU manufacturers have stopped providing support for developing firmware with an S3 (“traditional standby”) function for recent CPU generations, except for a couple of laptop manufacturers receiving special treatment.
  - criddell 2y ago
    This should work much better than it does. Microsoft is right - Windows machines should be able to run background services as well as a tablet or phone. Their Modern Standby requirements should have included a clause saying that the machines efficiency core (which I assume is what would be running in standby) should not be able to raise the temperature enough to require a fan.
    - haspok 2y ago
      No, Microsoft did not ask the users if they wanted this or not (or made this behaviour configurable). Just as they did not ask users if they wanted to see ads in their Start menu...
      - criddell 2y ago
        You only want an option because Microsoft and their hardware partners did a poor job with this. Pretty much nobody asks for the same feature to be configurable on their iPad because it works well.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Standby works fine for me on Windows and has for a long time across dozens of different devices. Chances are if the system keeps waking from sleep, they have some third-party app that keeps waking the system.
  - throwaway3306a 2y ago
    Macbooks also wake from sleep while closed and yet it doesn't destroy the computer. How is the computer supposed to do background checks / send its location etc if it can't wake up for a short while?
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Connected Standby has worked on my devices for a decade. When I plug in my laptop to my dock in the office and it wakes up, it comes on pretty much instantly. Its already on the WiFi, which it joined when I walked in the building. My email has already synced. My chat has already synced before I even log in. It has been doing this just fine since Windows 8 came out across multiple Thinkpads, Surface tablets, and other devices. Even pre-Windows 8, sleep has generally worked perfectly fine for me. I'd have my computer on sleep between classes, open it up and pretty much instantly be right back in OneNote ready to take notes. Cheap Compaq laptops, expensive HP laptops, IBM Thinkpads, Lenovo Thinkpads, Surface tablets, no-name cheap Walmart laptops, all kinds of devices. In the last almost 20 years I've had less than a dozen instances of a hot bag running XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, now 11. I had issues with sleep on some desktops in the past, where it wouldn't want to stay in sleep. Every time it was some dumb app waking up the machine. Never due to some specific Windows issue, always something I installed.
    - haspok 2y ago
      I don't want my computer to do _anything_ if I set it to sleep, other than keep the memory contents alive for some time. Although these days even Ubuntu with KDE starts up so fast that the only reason for sleep (instead of shutdown) is to keep some programs running, with some mid-work state.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
throwaway984393 2y ago
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haspok 2y ago
FWIW I had similar problems with my X1, sleep on lid close was working about 50% of the time (which is probably worse than not working at all, because you genuinely don't know what is going to happen...). As a quick fix I assigned Ctrl-Meta-L to Sleep (Meta-L is screen lock - I'm using KDE btw). It didn't take long for me to automatically press this combo before closing the lid - I got so much used to it that I had stop stop and think when I got a new laptop later and installed linux fresh on it. And of course I just set it up like before, even though this one works :)

by m_st 2y ago

chrsw 2y ago

Yes, standby is working fine. I don't have the machine in front of me now but I don't remember fiddling with any of the power settings either. It was all working after the install. I definitely run software update so that might explain why it's working so smooth too. Meanwhile, my other machine from work is a Precision workstation running Windows 10 and it gives me all kinds of power issues, more invasive updates, random restarts, random high fan RPMs, etc. Dell has already serviced the machine, twice. What a mess.

trelane 2y ago

Standby doesn't work on Windows?

iamacyborg 2y ago
Certainly doesn’t appear to on my thinkpad
- trelane 2y ago
  Ouch. Maybe 2025 will finally be the year of Windows on the desktop!
  - rqtwteye 2y ago
    The year of windows on the desktop was around 2004. Since then Microsoft has diligently worked to make things worse.
WD-42 2y ago
Standby on windows just appears to be a cue for the OS that the user isn’t actively using the machine so it should use the time to install updates and restart itself 5 times.
evilduck 2y ago
Almost never in my experience.
jasonjayr 2y ago
In the last few years; Microsoft started pushing this "Modern standby"[1] thing, which lets the CPU run while suspended or something. IIRC it is so a PC can run background services, wifi and what not, like tablets + cell phones. It is causing so many issues, because the common use case for a laptop is to close the lid, and then stuff it into a padded bag. If anything starts up the laptop for whatever reason, all that heat is trapped in there, cooking the device. Some system BIOS are removing the option to even disable modern standby mode (vs traditional standby where just the memory was energized) 1: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/modern-standby https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/de...
- mananaysiempre 2y ago
  > Some system BIOS are removing the option to even disable modern standby mode The CPU manufacturers have stopped providing support for developing firmware with an S3 (“traditional standby”) function for recent CPU generations, except for a couple of laptop manufacturers receiving special treatment.
- criddell 2y ago
  This should work much better than it does. Microsoft is right - Windows machines should be able to run background services as well as a tablet or phone. Their Modern Standby requirements should have included a clause saying that the machines efficiency core (which I assume is what would be running in standby) should not be able to raise the temperature enough to require a fan.
  - haspok 2y ago
    No, Microsoft did not ask the users if they wanted this or not (or made this behaviour configurable). Just as they did not ask users if they wanted to see ads in their Start menu...
    - criddell 2y ago
      You only want an option because Microsoft and their hardware partners did a poor job with this. Pretty much nobody asks for the same feature to be configurable on their iPad because it works well.
vel0city 2y ago
Standby works fine for me on Windows and has for a long time across dozens of different devices. Chances are if the system keeps waking from sleep, they have some third-party app that keeps waking the system.
- throwaway3306a 2y ago
  Macbooks also wake from sleep while closed and yet it doesn't destroy the computer. How is the computer supposed to do background checks / send its location etc if it can't wake up for a short while?
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Connected Standby has worked on my devices for a decade. When I plug in my laptop to my dock in the office and it wakes up, it comes on pretty much instantly. Its already on the WiFi, which it joined when I walked in the building. My email has already synced. My chat has already synced before I even log in. It has been doing this just fine since Windows 8 came out across multiple Thinkpads, Surface tablets, and other devices. Even pre-Windows 8, sleep has generally worked perfectly fine for me. I'd have my computer on sleep between classes, open it up and pretty much instantly be right back in OneNote ready to take notes. Cheap Compaq laptops, expensive HP laptops, IBM Thinkpads, Lenovo Thinkpads, Surface tablets, no-name cheap Walmart laptops, all kinds of devices. In the last almost 20 years I've had less than a dozen instances of a hot bag running XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, 10, now 11. I had issues with sleep on some desktops in the past, where it wouldn't want to stay in sleep. Every time it was some dumb app waking up the machine. Never due to some specific Windows issue, always something I installed.
  - haspok 2y ago
    I don't want my computer to do _anything_ if I set it to sleep, other than keep the memory contents alive for some time. Although these days even Ubuntu with KDE starts up so fast that the only reason for sleep (instead of shutdown) is to keep some programs running, with some mid-work state.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago

throwaway984393 2y ago

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haspok 2y ago

FWIW I had similar problems with my X1, sleep on lid close was working about 50% of the time (which is probably worse than not working at all, because you genuinely don't know what is going to happen...). As a quick fix I assigned Ctrl-Meta-L to Sleep (Meta-L is screen lock - I'm using KDE btw). It didn't take long for me to automatically press this combo before closing the lid - I got so much used to it that I had stop stop and think when I got a new laptop later and installed linux fresh on it. And of course I just set it up like before, even though this one works :)