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Note this is the lowest spec Surface Pro 4, it had a low power Intel Core m3-6Y30 so that it could run without any active cooling, making it a 'true' tablet. Mo

Note this is the lowest spec Surface Pro 4, it had a low power Intel Core m3-6Y30 so that it could run without any active cooling, making it a 'true' tablet. Most of the 'proper' Surface Pro 4s had an i5 or i7 processor with active cooling (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Pro_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_Pro_4 ) and were roughly comparable in performance to other PC ultrabooks at the time. I've been using the Surface Pro line for about 10 years to do everything I need to do, they are pretty solid.

keepamovin 2y ago
I also use the surface for everything I need: I like it a lot and I’ve never had a problem with it. I don’t get the hate, nor why the inaccurate idea that you cannot run things on it persists.
- diffeomorphism 2y ago
  A surface pro 9 with average laptop specs (16GB of ram, 1TB of storage), keyboard and pen costs 2000 + 140 + 80 and that is for the "outdated" model. At that price it should be exceptional not just good. That is not "hate" but disapointment.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    I get the perspective of comparing based on price per unit of specs, but you're not just paying for that. That consideration may not be the main consideration in purchase for everybody. People make subjective assessments that are hard to quantify and compare across individuals. I guess if you find yourself being disappointed but you otherwise would have liked it, I suggest you may be looking at it the wrong way and missing out on what could work for you. For me, I think the weight and mobility are important too. I love the stylus and OS. I like the look and there's a bit of a f-you status, not in terms of the money involved which is not that much (especially considering what people drop on gaming rigs, Mac stuff, etc), but because it is a bit different. I think you're wrong that there's no hate towards Surface: you may not be picking up on it, there definitely is. Maybe people dislike that it's flashy and costly when they expect it should be utilitarian, so it kind of clashes with their expectations in a way that upsets them, and they dislike seeing other people enjoy what displeases themselves. I find it humorous that the same people may see another item, a Mac or whatever, in a different light, despite obvious similarities, and enjoy its flashy costliness. Heh! :) I encourage you to consider how the people who like and enjoy it see it. These topics have a way of turning people a bit mad, or at least creating conflict. So please let me turn the heat down a little bit with this olive branch compliment: hey, cool username, are you a mathematician?? :)
    - diffeomorphism 2y ago
      Agreed, people can sometimes get too much into minor things like laptop brands. Yes, I am a mathematician and have a few colleagues who are happily using their surfaces for notes and online teaching. I have seen some "rivalry" with people using iPads instead, but luckily no hate thus far.
      - keepamovin 2y ago
        Right? Exactly! It's a personal thing, I mean using it is not minor for me, it's super useful, but I don't see the point in challenging others about it. Just like different strokes for different folks, like diffeomorphisms haha :) Did that math joke work? I don't know as i'm not a mathematician. Lucky you haven't seen the hate, it's definitely out there. The refined world of academia must be too pleasant for it haha :) I also really like how you can just plug whatever keyboard in to it and use a desktop OS on tablet form factor, and it just works. You ever post your work on here?
    - tiahura 2y ago
      I’ve been all in on surface since the sp3. They had me at 3:2.
      - keepamovin 2y ago
        What makes 3:2 particularly good?
        codeulike 2y ago
        The original surface pro 1 and 2 were 16:9 aspect ratio, an interesting experiment but from surface pro 3 onwards they went with a much more useful 3:2
  - hollandheese 2y ago
    Or $1099 at Costco + $100 for a 1 TB SSD.

keepamovin 2y ago

I also use the surface for everything I need: I like it a lot and I’ve never had a problem with it. I don’t get the hate, nor why the inaccurate idea that you cannot run things on it persists.

diffeomorphism 2y ago
A surface pro 9 with average laptop specs (16GB of ram, 1TB of storage), keyboard and pen costs 2000 + 140 + 80 and that is for the "outdated" model. At that price it should be exceptional not just good. That is not "hate" but disapointment.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  I get the perspective of comparing based on price per unit of specs, but you're not just paying for that. That consideration may not be the main consideration in purchase for everybody. People make subjective assessments that are hard to quantify and compare across individuals. I guess if you find yourself being disappointed but you otherwise would have liked it, I suggest you may be looking at it the wrong way and missing out on what could work for you. For me, I think the weight and mobility are important too. I love the stylus and OS. I like the look and there's a bit of a f-you status, not in terms of the money involved which is not that much (especially considering what people drop on gaming rigs, Mac stuff, etc), but because it is a bit different. I think you're wrong that there's no hate towards Surface: you may not be picking up on it, there definitely is. Maybe people dislike that it's flashy and costly when they expect it should be utilitarian, so it kind of clashes with their expectations in a way that upsets them, and they dislike seeing other people enjoy what displeases themselves. I find it humorous that the same people may see another item, a Mac or whatever, in a different light, despite obvious similarities, and enjoy its flashy costliness. Heh! :) I encourage you to consider how the people who like and enjoy it see it. These topics have a way of turning people a bit mad, or at least creating conflict. So please let me turn the heat down a little bit with this olive branch compliment: hey, cool username, are you a mathematician?? :)
  - diffeomorphism 2y ago
    Agreed, people can sometimes get too much into minor things like laptop brands. Yes, I am a mathematician and have a few colleagues who are happily using their surfaces for notes and online teaching. I have seen some "rivalry" with people using iPads instead, but luckily no hate thus far.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Right? Exactly! It's a personal thing, I mean using it is not minor for me, it's super useful, but I don't see the point in challenging others about it. Just like different strokes for different folks, like diffeomorphisms haha :) Did that math joke work? I don't know as i'm not a mathematician. Lucky you haven't seen the hate, it's definitely out there. The refined world of academia must be too pleasant for it haha :) I also really like how you can just plug whatever keyboard in to it and use a desktop OS on tablet form factor, and it just works. You ever post your work on here?
  - tiahura 2y ago
    I’ve been all in on surface since the sp3. They had me at 3:2.
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      What makes 3:2 particularly good?
      - codeulike 2y ago
        The original surface pro 1 and 2 were 16:9 aspect ratio, an interesting experiment but from surface pro 3 onwards they went with a much more useful 3:2
- hollandheese 2y ago
  Or $1099 at Costco + $100 for a 1 TB SSD.