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> Someone flagged what I thought was a good comment so I couldn’t respond to it unfortunately. The best and the worst comments tend to be flagged. Not sure why

> Someone flagged what I thought was a good comment so I couldn’t respond to it unfortunately. The best and the worst comments tend to be flagged. Not sure why we aren't allowed to continue the discussion within 'flagged' comments. Just hide it for those who don't want to see flagged threads and let the rest of us continue on. > Birth rates crashe when people generally feel like there is no future for the current type of society or future societies that their current societies are headed towards. Perhaps in certain instances in the past, but I doubt it. The current birth rate decline is a result of intentional policies of the elites. Starting with Europe and the US in the 60s and 70s and then these policies eventually got exported to or forced upon our 'allies' or major trading partners. The implementation of these policies varied from pushing '2 is enough' style propaganda to encourage couples to limit the amount of children, propaganda programming to encourage females to put off child bearing to work and of course enacting drastic policies like the 1 child policy ( the 1 child policy wasn't a chinese policy but one of american/european demands for opening trade and attaining foreign investment ). You can see it with bangladesh, india, etc. They are being forced to adopt 'child planning' policies by the US and Europe in exchange for investment. No doubt africa will get the same demands in the near future. The birth rate decline isn't some natural quirk of society. It is a result of a planned systematic state policy. Everything from education to propaganda encourages men and women to have less children. What's laughable is that the same propagandists are scratching their heads wondering why fertility is declining all the while pushing propaganda to decrease fertility.

AndrewKemendo 2y ago
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve yet to see a comprehensive elucidation of the kind of propaganda that you’re talking about in any kind of coherent or coordinated sense There are certainly anti-natalist groups out there, but I wouldn’t consider those some kind of elite. In fact they’re usually fairly heterodox. Similarly, the only people I see pushing natalism at this point are far right wing people Those don’t seem like coherent groups
- linearrust 2y ago
  > I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve yet to see a comprehensive elucidation of the kind of propaganda that you’re talking about in any kind of coherent or coordinated sense What? Every major global institution and nation is backing 'family planning', encouraging women to work, etc. https://static.mothership.sg/1/2018/05/family-planning-cover.jpg https://static.mothership.sg/1/2018/05/family-planning-cover... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy > Similarly, the only people I see pushing natalism at this point are far right wing people And what 'far right' people are in charge of any major nation or global institution? None. You'd have to be blind or driven by agenda to not see it. For the past few decades, from hollywood to the UN to education, we've been getting a certain messaging. As an american, I don't remember a single time where we were encouraged to have lots of children. All the messaging, in school, on tv, in movies, etc were all discouraging you from having children early and having lots of them. Now whether it is a good thing or a bad thing it's up for debate. But it's silly to deny it. In modern times, birth rates are determined by the state. Prior to the current decline, many countries, such as china, iran, etc actually encouraged high birth rates and hence experienced population booms. We had a baby boom generation prior to the elites deciding to lower it. So if the elites really wanted a population boom, they can switch the messaging and get the propaganda going. The masses follow where the propaganda leads them.

AndrewKemendo 2y ago

I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve yet to see a comprehensive elucidation of the kind of propaganda that you’re talking about in any kind of coherent or coordinated sense There are certainly anti-natalist groups out there, but I wouldn’t consider those some kind of elite. In fact they’re usually fairly heterodox. Similarly, the only people I see pushing natalism at this point are far right wing people Those don’t seem like coherent groups

linearrust 2y ago
> I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve yet to see a comprehensive elucidation of the kind of propaganda that you’re talking about in any kind of coherent or coordinated sense What? Every major global institution and nation is backing 'family planning', encouraging women to work, etc. https://static.mothership.sg/1/2018/05/family-planning-cover.jpg https://static.mothership.sg/1/2018/05/family-planning-cover... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy > Similarly, the only people I see pushing natalism at this point are far right wing people And what 'far right' people are in charge of any major nation or global institution? None. You'd have to be blind or driven by agenda to not see it. For the past few decades, from hollywood to the UN to education, we've been getting a certain messaging. As an american, I don't remember a single time where we were encouraged to have lots of children. All the messaging, in school, on tv, in movies, etc were all discouraging you from having children early and having lots of them. Now whether it is a good thing or a bad thing it's up for debate. But it's silly to deny it. In modern times, birth rates are determined by the state. Prior to the current decline, many countries, such as china, iran, etc actually encouraged high birth rates and hence experienced population booms. We had a baby boom generation prior to the elites deciding to lower it. So if the elites really wanted a population boom, they can switch the messaging and get the propaganda going. The masses follow where the propaganda leads them.