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Generally the US does a pretty good job training and keeping their grunt soldiers alive, and evacuating them if wounded. Russia really hasn't done well in these

Generally the US does a pretty good job training and keeping their grunt soldiers alive, and evacuating them if wounded. Russia really hasn't done well in these aspects if we look at the Ukraine war, or any earlier wars for that matter. Their tactics tend to prefer quantity over quality. But yes, as pointed out I'm sure Russia places some more value on lives of skilled, well trained personnel than the average poorly trained grunt soldier, simply due to higher utility value.

medo-bear 2y ago
It just amazes me that Russian soldiers are able to fight against one of the most Western-armed countries in Europe [0] using ... shovels [1] ... and zombie-like meat waves [2] ? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain... [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-are-ordered-fight-with-shovels-uk-defense-intel-2023-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-are-ordered-f... [2] https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-litters-ukraine-battlefield-with-frozen-corpses-of-russian-troops/ https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-...
- simion314 2y ago
  Does it amazes you that they gain less then 1 square kilometers even with their Chinese bikes and turtle tanks? not sure why everyone shits on Russian shovels, the RuZZian special forces recorded themselves how they train to fight close combat with shovels, a shovel is a weapon. Anyway the real quote was something like "weapons and shovels" but the Ruscists could only read the last part. The Zeds also claim they fight NATO, I say to all the Zeds please attack a NATO country then you can claim you fight NATO - because now you fight just your little brother that gas some old Western weapons and better intel, the difference is that Ukraine is not Chechnya so is harder to invade them, the drunk bear found a big enough adversary to break it's mouth.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    Why does this remind me of that time the USA got defeated by some guerillas in the Vietnamese jungle? They succeeded in plucking some feathers from the arrogant eagle's tail. Perhaps those guerillas had some help?
    - simion314 2y ago
      "what about USA/Israel" I am not a supporter of USA military operations so I did not study them, but if youget reminded how USA lost then it means you know Ruzzia has no chance to actually really win (NATO is already larger, many Ruzzian fascists are dead, Ruzzia is getting demilitarized ... )
      - medo-bear 2y ago
        I think no party to the war has a chance to really win. The biggest tragedy though is that whatever happens and regardless if anyone wins militarily, for many years (decades) after the war people living in Ukraine will not feel like they won anything. You can be sure of that
        simion314 2y ago
        Sure, but you think surrendering and becoming the next Chechnya is something Ukrainians should offer their children?
        medo-bear 2y ago
        Men from both countries are going to great lengths to avoid conscription, as they should! Sending people to war against their will is pure evil.
        thriftwy 2y ago
        > next Chechnya In the sense that Ukrainians then get to invade Kazakhstan around 2040 on behalf of Russia, and film Tik Tok videos about how nasty of fighters they are? (This might as well happen)
- arghnoname 2y ago
  Their reign of villainy would surely be stopped by now if it weren't for their ability to power their war machines with washing machine parts
greenavocado 2y ago
> Their tactics tend to prefer quantity over quality. Nonsense.
- simion314 2y ago
  >Nonsense Reality disagrees , unless what we see is actually the best and brightest Ruzzia can find.
  - greenavocado 2y ago
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    - simion314 2y ago
      >Russia is fighting against the combined military intelligence apparatus of 40 countries And is Russia's fault they are some assholes that only N Korea and Iran supports them, all their brothers slavic countries in Europe are supporting Ukraine, except the dictator in Belarus who is sitting and spectating. Think about how much Netherlands is helping Ukraine, all because of MH17, some half competent non drunk Ruzzian diplomat would have done a better job in handeling this issue, probably they would have had to do something impossible for a Ruzzian , admit the truth that an incompetent drunk Ruzzian destroyed the airplane and send the guilty to be judged and punished. So incompetent diplomacy, garbage external politics makes Ruzzia to have Zero supporters, this is an achivement and the credit goes to Putin and his gang.
      - greenavocado 2y ago
        You aren't seeing this from the perspective of the Russians at all. In the 1990s Russia was weak and was promised by NATO that the military alliance would not encroach further east. This was a bold lie just like the Minsk agreements. There has always been a persistent effort by the West to subvert Russia and make it another colony of the US and UK intelligence apparatus. Everything you are seeing is a reaction to fighting against the pressure of 40+ western nations simulateneously trying to crush it and choke it to death. You're too focused on the little things and you aren't seeing the big picture. In the grand scheme of sovereign state operations a few thousand dead is utterly insignificant. I don't think I need to remind you of the number of casualties in all recent wars started by all sides of the conflicts in the past twenty years.

medo-bear 2y ago

It just amazes me that Russian soldiers are able to fight against one of the most Western-armed countries in Europe [0] using ... shovels [1] ... and zombie-like meat waves [2] ? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukrain... [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-are-ordered-fight-with-shovels-uk-defense-intel-2023-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troops-are-ordered-f... [2] https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-litters-ukraine-battlefield-with-frozen-corpses-of-russian-troops/ https://nypost.com/2024/01/23/news/moscows-meat-wave-tactic-...

simion314 2y ago
Does it amazes you that they gain less then 1 square kilometers even with their Chinese bikes and turtle tanks? not sure why everyone shits on Russian shovels, the RuZZian special forces recorded themselves how they train to fight close combat with shovels, a shovel is a weapon. Anyway the real quote was something like "weapons and shovels" but the Ruscists could only read the last part. The Zeds also claim they fight NATO, I say to all the Zeds please attack a NATO country then you can claim you fight NATO - because now you fight just your little brother that gas some old Western weapons and better intel, the difference is that Ukraine is not Chechnya so is harder to invade them, the drunk bear found a big enough adversary to break it's mouth.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  Why does this remind me of that time the USA got defeated by some guerillas in the Vietnamese jungle? They succeeded in plucking some feathers from the arrogant eagle's tail. Perhaps those guerillas had some help?
  - simion314 2y ago
    "what about USA/Israel" I am not a supporter of USA military operations so I did not study them, but if youget reminded how USA lost then it means you know Ruzzia has no chance to actually really win (NATO is already larger, many Ruzzian fascists are dead, Ruzzia is getting demilitarized ... )
    - medo-bear 2y ago
      I think no party to the war has a chance to really win. The biggest tragedy though is that whatever happens and regardless if anyone wins militarily, for many years (decades) after the war people living in Ukraine will not feel like they won anything. You can be sure of that
      - simion314 2y ago
        Sure, but you think surrendering and becoming the next Chechnya is something Ukrainians should offer their children?
        medo-bear 2y ago
        Men from both countries are going to great lengths to avoid conscription, as they should! Sending people to war against their will is pure evil.
        thriftwy 2y ago
        > next Chechnya In the sense that Ukrainians then get to invade Kazakhstan around 2040 on behalf of Russia, and film Tik Tok videos about how nasty of fighters they are? (This might as well happen)
arghnoname 2y ago
Their reign of villainy would surely be stopped by now if it weren't for their ability to power their war machines with washing machine parts

greenavocado 2y ago

> Their tactics tend to prefer quantity over quality. Nonsense.

simion314 2y ago
>Nonsense Reality disagrees , unless what we see is actually the best and brightest Ruzzia can find.
- greenavocado 2y ago
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  - simion314 2y ago
    >Russia is fighting against the combined military intelligence apparatus of 40 countries And is Russia's fault they are some assholes that only N Korea and Iran supports them, all their brothers slavic countries in Europe are supporting Ukraine, except the dictator in Belarus who is sitting and spectating. Think about how much Netherlands is helping Ukraine, all because of MH17, some half competent non drunk Ruzzian diplomat would have done a better job in handeling this issue, probably they would have had to do something impossible for a Ruzzian , admit the truth that an incompetent drunk Ruzzian destroyed the airplane and send the guilty to be judged and punished. So incompetent diplomacy, garbage external politics makes Ruzzia to have Zero supporters, this is an achivement and the credit goes to Putin and his gang.
    - greenavocado 2y ago
      You aren't seeing this from the perspective of the Russians at all. In the 1990s Russia was weak and was promised by NATO that the military alliance would not encroach further east. This was a bold lie just like the Minsk agreements. There has always been a persistent effort by the West to subvert Russia and make it another colony of the US and UK intelligence apparatus. Everything you are seeing is a reaction to fighting against the pressure of 40+ western nations simulateneously trying to crush it and choke it to death. You're too focused on the little things and you aren't seeing the big picture. In the grand scheme of sovereign state operations a few thousand dead is utterly insignificant. I don't think I need to remind you of the number of casualties in all recent wars started by all sides of the conflicts in the past twenty years.