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What do you mean ‘it’s working in Europe? The dominant and official state religion in Europe is mostly Christianity. [..]Europe Christianity (Eastern Orthodo

What do you mean ‘it’s working in Europe? The dominant and official state religion in Europe is mostly Christianity. [..]Europe Christianity (Eastern Orthodox) 1. Belarus 2. Bulgaria 3. Cyprus 4. Georgia 5. Greece 6. Moldova 7. Montenegro 8. North Macedonia 9. Russia 10. Serbia Christianity (Roman Catholicism) 1. Andorra 2. Austria 3. Belgium 4. Bosnia and Herzegovina (also Islam) 5. Croatia 6. Czech Republic 7. France 8. Hungary 9. Italy 10. Latvia 11. Lithuania 12. Luxembourg 13. Malta 14. Monaco 15. Poland 16. Portugal 17. Slovakia 18. Slovenia 19. Spain 20. Switzerland Christianity (Protestantism) 1. Denmark 2. Estonia 3. Finland 4. Germany 5. Iceland 6. Netherlands 7. Norway 8. Sweden 9. United Kingdom (Anglican) Mixed/Other 1. Albania (Islam and Christianity) 2. Kosovo (Islam and Christianity) [..]

jeromegv 2y ago
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- NoRagrets 2y ago
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  - amonavis 2y ago
    You said that India does not have an official state religion, then to support your own point you listed European countries with majority religions implying they are officially state religions then you backtracked. I don't know whether others are able to see your real intentions through your posts, and maybe Westerners are too politically correct to call a spade a spade, but I know a Hindu extremist when I see one. Tell me you're a staunch supporter of BJP without telling me you're a staunch supporter of BJP.
    - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
      Let me explain: there is State religion, Dominant religion, Secularism. 1. Western Europe has a dominant religion but not officially secular. 2. Only 5 nations(please correct me with source material) that are secular by constitution. 3. The secular nations are : India United States, France, Japan and Australia. 4. Exceptions: Russia for example has no religion. Vietnam is officially atheist. But the dominant religion is Buddhism. 5. Nepal was the only Hindu nation until recently before the Maoist insurgency and Hindu as official state religion was struck off. 6. India is officially a Secular State. The dominant and majority religion is Hinduism, but principles of secularism is not practiced as Muslims and minorities enjoy more religious privileges than the majority Hindus. 7. This makes India secular in name only. It penalizes the majority of the religious citizens by denying them equal rights and privileges under law. 8. My opinion is that Hindus should have a Hindu nation where they are a majority at one billion especially because there is no other Hindu nation in the world and India is civilisationally Hindu and all Hindu shrines and holy places and sacred texts have ancient India or Bharat as its origin site. All of this information with supporting evidence and official state dictates is available in the public domain and official state records. I am going to ignore your second paragraph. It was an attack, unnecessary and personal.
      - amonavis 2y ago
        Why do they NEED to have a religious state? I come from a country that has a majority from a particular religion and I've never heard such passionate stance to make my country's official religion as theirs. Feel free to ignore the second paragraph, it wasn't intended for you, it's intended for those who can't identify extremism easily.
        jelliclesfarm 2y ago
        ‘Why do they NEED to have a religious state?’ I don’t know, but I guess we can also ask: Why does England NEED to be the only Christian Anglican country in the world? Why does Saudi Arabia NEED to be an Islamic State? Why would Indian Hindus want a Hindu nation? I guess it’s called Democracy. Are you against Democracy?
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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  - dang 2y ago
    Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please edit all that out and stick to making your substantive points thoughtfully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 2y ago
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dr_dshiv 2y ago
“Of the Union's 27 states, only three have an official state religion, these being Denmark (Church of Denmark), Greece (Church of Greece), and Malta (Catholic Church).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union
- jelliclesfarm 2y ago
  I think you mean State Religion and if you are looking up wiki, here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
  - ffgjgf1 2y ago
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        NoRagrets 2y ago
        Hindi is a language. Define Supremacist.
        ffgjgf1 2y ago
        > Define Supremacist. Summary of your comments in this and sibling threads
norw023623 2y ago
I am from Norway, and we don't have an official state religion, although christianity is the largest religion. We used to have a church that was administered by the government (statskirke), but was separated from the government. The King is no longer the (symbolic) leader of the church, although he is a member of it still. Even when Norway had an official state church, other religions were free to practice and was even sponsored by the government. All religions and faiths get the same financial support based on the number of members. There's even at least one Hindu temple that I know of that receive financial support on equal terms. It makes me question your other "facts"
- NoRagrets 2y ago
  Ok. I have elaborated here. Thoughts? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Norway#:~:text=Christianity%20is%20the%20largest%20religion,Church%20of%20Norway%20in%202021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Norway#:~:te.... […]Christianity is the largest religion in Norway and Norway has historically been called a Christian country. A majority of the population are members of the Church of Norway with 64.9% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway in 2021.[..] FACT: if the majority of the population OFFICIALLY follows the Christian faith, then the DOMINANT religion is Christianity. https://www.worldpolicycenter.org/policies/how-do-countries-that-identify-in-their-constitution-as-secular-treat-religion https://www.worldpolicycenter.org/policies/how-do-countries-... [..]Special relationship with specific religion means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but establishes a special relationship with one specific religion. Types of special relationships include referencing a traditional religion, acknowledging the historical influence of a specific religion, or stating that the state is founded upon values or principles from a single religious tradition Privileges religion over nonbelief means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but includes provisions to support religious practice over non-belief, such as granting tax exemptions to religious organizations, allowing religion in public schools, or recognizing or partnering with religious organizations in certain areas. God included in oath of office means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but has certain officials swear before God in the official oath of office included in the constitution. The constitution does not provide for a further role for religion. References God in preamble means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but references or thanks God in the preamble of the constitution. The constitution does not provide for a further role for religion. No role for religion means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular and provides no role for religion. The constitution may explicitly place limitations on the role of religion.[..] FACT: Only 5 countries satisfy the last criteria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=India%20since%20its%20independence%20in,modern%20history%20of%20the%20country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=.... [..]The overlap of religion and state, through Concurrent List structure, has given various religions in India, state support to religious schools and personal laws. This state intervention while resonant with the dictates of each religion, are unequal and conflicting. For example, a 1951 Religious and Charitable Endowment Indian law allows state governments to forcibly take over, own and operate Hindu temples, and collect revenue from offerings and redistribute that revenue to any non-temple purposes including maintenance of religious institutions opposed to the temple; Indian law also allows Islamic and other minority religious schools to receive partial financial support from state and central government of India, to offer religious indoctrination, if the school agrees that the student has an option to opt out from religious indoctrination if he or she so asks, and that the school will not discriminate any student based on religion, race or any other grounds.[..] FACT: India is officially a secular state being the seat of Hinduism where a billion Hindus live. It is a pseudo secular state when the majority are being subjected to special rules to appease the minority. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_Civil_Code&diffonly=true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_Civil_C... [..]The Uniform Civil Code is a proposal in India to formulate and implement personal laws of citizens which apply on all citizens equally regardless of their religion. Currently, personal laws of various communities are governed by their religious scriptures.[..] FACT: Personal laws cover marriage, divorce, inheritance, adoption and maintenance. [..]Personal laws were first framed during the British Raj, mainly for Hindu and Muslim citizens. UCC emerged as a crucial topic of interest in Indian politics following the Shah Bano case in 1985. The debate arose on the question of making certain laws applicable to all citizens without abridging the fundamental right to practice religious functions. The debate then focused on the Muslim Personal Law, which is partially based on the Sharia law, permitting unilateral divorce, polygamy and putting it among the legally applying the Sharia law. Relevant to the parent here, Indian temples are managed by the state and every other religious institution is managed by their adherents despite Hinduism being the dominant religion in an officially secular state. This gives special privileges to minorities while being extractive and punitive towards the Hindu majority adherants.[..]

jeromegv 2y ago

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NoRagrets 2y ago
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- amonavis 2y ago
  You said that India does not have an official state religion, then to support your own point you listed European countries with majority religions implying they are officially state religions then you backtracked. I don't know whether others are able to see your real intentions through your posts, and maybe Westerners are too politically correct to call a spade a spade, but I know a Hindu extremist when I see one. Tell me you're a staunch supporter of BJP without telling me you're a staunch supporter of BJP.
  - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
    Let me explain: there is State religion, Dominant religion, Secularism. 1. Western Europe has a dominant religion but not officially secular. 2. Only 5 nations(please correct me with source material) that are secular by constitution. 3. The secular nations are : India United States, France, Japan and Australia. 4. Exceptions: Russia for example has no religion. Vietnam is officially atheist. But the dominant religion is Buddhism. 5. Nepal was the only Hindu nation until recently before the Maoist insurgency and Hindu as official state religion was struck off. 6. India is officially a Secular State. The dominant and majority religion is Hinduism, but principles of secularism is not practiced as Muslims and minorities enjoy more religious privileges than the majority Hindus. 7. This makes India secular in name only. It penalizes the majority of the religious citizens by denying them equal rights and privileges under law. 8. My opinion is that Hindus should have a Hindu nation where they are a majority at one billion especially because there is no other Hindu nation in the world and India is civilisationally Hindu and all Hindu shrines and holy places and sacred texts have ancient India or Bharat as its origin site. All of this information with supporting evidence and official state dictates is available in the public domain and official state records. I am going to ignore your second paragraph. It was an attack, unnecessary and personal.
    - amonavis 2y ago
      Why do they NEED to have a religious state? I come from a country that has a majority from a particular religion and I've never heard such passionate stance to make my country's official religion as theirs. Feel free to ignore the second paragraph, it wasn't intended for you, it's intended for those who can't identify extremism easily.
      - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
        ‘Why do they NEED to have a religious state?’ I don’t know, but I guess we can also ask: Why does England NEED to be the only Christian Anglican country in the world? Why does Saudi Arabia NEED to be an Islamic State? Why would Indian Hindus want a Hindu nation? I guess it’s called Democracy. Are you against Democracy?
        dang 2y ago
        Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dang 2y ago
        Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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- dang 2y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please edit all that out and stick to making your substantive points thoughtfully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 2y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. Please edit all that out and stick to making your substantive points thoughtfully. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dr_dshiv 2y ago

“Of the Union's 27 states, only three have an official state religion, these being Denmark (Church of Denmark), Greece (Church of Greece), and Malta (Catholic Church).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_European_Union

jelliclesfarm 2y ago
I think you mean State Religion and if you are looking up wiki, here it is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
- ffgjgf1 2y ago
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  - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
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      - NoRagrets 2y ago
        Hindi is a language. Define Supremacist.
        ffgjgf1 2y ago
        > Define Supremacist. Summary of your comments in this and sibling threads

norw023623 2y ago

I am from Norway, and we don't have an official state religion, although christianity is the largest religion. We used to have a church that was administered by the government (statskirke), but was separated from the government. The King is no longer the (symbolic) leader of the church, although he is a member of it still. Even when Norway had an official state church, other religions were free to practice and was even sponsored by the government. All religions and faiths get the same financial support based on the number of members. There's even at least one Hindu temple that I know of that receive financial support on equal terms. It makes me question your other "facts"

NoRagrets 2y ago
Ok. I have elaborated here. Thoughts? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Norway#:~:text=Christianity%20is%20the%20largest%20religion,Church%20of%20Norway%20in%202021 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Norway#:~:te.... […]Christianity is the largest religion in Norway and Norway has historically been called a Christian country. A majority of the population are members of the Church of Norway with 64.9% of the population officially belonging to the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway in 2021.[..] FACT: if the majority of the population OFFICIALLY follows the Christian faith, then the DOMINANT religion is Christianity. https://www.worldpolicycenter.org/policies/how-do-countries-that-identify-in-their-constitution-as-secular-treat-religion https://www.worldpolicycenter.org/policies/how-do-countries-... [..]Special relationship with specific religion means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but establishes a special relationship with one specific religion. Types of special relationships include referencing a traditional religion, acknowledging the historical influence of a specific religion, or stating that the state is founded upon values or principles from a single religious tradition Privileges religion over nonbelief means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but includes provisions to support religious practice over non-belief, such as granting tax exemptions to religious organizations, allowing religion in public schools, or recognizing or partnering with religious organizations in certain areas. God included in oath of office means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but has certain officials swear before God in the official oath of office included in the constitution. The constitution does not provide for a further role for religion. References God in preamble means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular, but references or thanks God in the preamble of the constitution. The constitution does not provide for a further role for religion. No role for religion means that the constitution explicitly states it is secular and provides no role for religion. The constitution may explicitly place limitations on the role of religion.[..] FACT: Only 5 countries satisfy the last criteria. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=India%20since%20its%20independence%20in,modern%20history%20of%20the%20country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=.... [..]The overlap of religion and state, through Concurrent List structure, has given various religions in India, state support to religious schools and personal laws. This state intervention while resonant with the dictates of each religion, are unequal and conflicting. For example, a 1951 Religious and Charitable Endowment Indian law allows state governments to forcibly take over, own and operate Hindu temples, and collect revenue from offerings and redistribute that revenue to any non-temple purposes including maintenance of religious institutions opposed to the temple; Indian law also allows Islamic and other minority religious schools to receive partial financial support from state and central government of India, to offer religious indoctrination, if the school agrees that the student has an option to opt out from religious indoctrination if he or she so asks, and that the school will not discriminate any student based on religion, race or any other grounds.[..] FACT: India is officially a secular state being the seat of Hinduism where a billion Hindus live. It is a pseudo secular state when the majority are being subjected to special rules to appease the minority. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_Civil_Code&diffonly=true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uniform_Civil_C... [..]The Uniform Civil Code is a proposal in India to formulate and implement personal laws of citizens which apply on all citizens equally regardless of their religion. Currently, personal laws of various communities are governed by their religious scriptures.[..] FACT: Personal laws cover marriage, divorce, inheritance, adoption and maintenance. [..]Personal laws were first framed during the British Raj, mainly for Hindu and Muslim citizens. UCC emerged as a crucial topic of interest in Indian politics following the Shah Bano case in 1985. The debate arose on the question of making certain laws applicable to all citizens without abridging the fundamental right to practice religious functions. The debate then focused on the Muslim Personal Law, which is partially based on the Sharia law, permitting unilateral divorce, polygamy and putting it among the legally applying the Sharia law. Relevant to the parent here, Indian temples are managed by the state and every other religious institution is managed by their adherents despite Hinduism being the dominant religion in an officially secular state. This gives special privileges to minorities while being extractive and punitive towards the Hindu majority adherants.[..]