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The London congestion charge is a much larger area than the City https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestion-charge-zone https://tfl.gov.uk/m

by pledg 2y ago

The London congestion charge is a much larger area than the City https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestion-charge-zone https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/congestio...

timr 2y ago
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- lores 2y ago
  It's a fraction by area, but it's by far the densest and busiest part of the city. Comparisons to half of Manhattan are not unwarranted.
  - timr 2y ago
    Only if you don't know anything about Manhattan other than "density". The now-canceled project would have affected, at a minimum, about 10% of New York's entire resident population (~800k). A lot of New Yorkers actually live in Manhattan south of 60th. That's part of why it's dense. A more reasonable comparison to the current London congestion area would be midtown -- the small area in the middle of Manhattan with the obvious skyscrapers, as well as Times Square, theaters, throngs of tourists, and the bulk of finance.
    - casta 2y ago
      It's not canceled. They paused the plan.
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- chgs 2y ago
  It’s about 8 square miles - in Manhattan that would be about the area below 42nd street
  - timr 2y ago
    You can't compare land areas directly. London is twice the size of New York. Population density, land uses, etc. are completely different. For example, only about 140k people [1] live in the London area. Easily 800k live in the Manhattan area, and probably more (population density is higher on the lower half of the island, due to things like Central Park). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge#Present_scheme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge#Prese...
    - chgs 2y ago
      So higher density means fewer cars per person and more reason to have a congestion charge
timr 2y ago
You're quibbling. The portion covered by the congestion charges is a tiny, tiny portion of the whole of London, comprising mostly business and entertainment areas. The point I am making is that Americans use the naming confusion to draw the fundamentally misleading comparison.

by pledg 2y ago

timr 2y ago

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lores 2y ago
It's a fraction by area, but it's by far the densest and busiest part of the city. Comparisons to half of Manhattan are not unwarranted.
- timr 2y ago
  Only if you don't know anything about Manhattan other than "density". The now-canceled project would have affected, at a minimum, about 10% of New York's entire resident population (~800k). A lot of New Yorkers actually live in Manhattan south of 60th. That's part of why it's dense. A more reasonable comparison to the current London congestion area would be midtown -- the small area in the middle of Manhattan with the obvious skyscrapers, as well as Times Square, theaters, throngs of tourists, and the bulk of finance.
  - casta 2y ago
    It's not canceled. They paused the plan.
  - deleted 2y ago
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chgs 2y ago
It’s about 8 square miles - in Manhattan that would be about the area below 42nd street
- timr 2y ago
  You can't compare land areas directly. London is twice the size of New York. Population density, land uses, etc. are completely different. For example, only about 140k people [1] live in the London area. Easily 800k live in the Manhattan area, and probably more (population density is higher on the lower half of the island, due to things like Central Park). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge#Present_scheme https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_congestion_charge#Prese...
  - chgs 2y ago
    So higher density means fewer cars per person and more reason to have a congestion charge

timr 2y ago

You're quibbling. The portion covered by the congestion charges is a tiny, tiny portion of the whole of London, comprising mostly business and entertainment areas. The point I am making is that Americans use the naming confusion to draw the fundamentally misleading comparison.