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That being said, in the US you can and should absolutely should build more, and basically get rid of most zoning regulations. You'd have a hard time finding any

That being said, in the US you can and should absolutely should build more, and basically get rid of most zoning regulations. You'd have a hard time finding anything as touristic and dense as Barcelona in the US.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
I argue AirBnB should be banned anywhere building cannot be done at a rate which ensures affordable housing can exist for locals. Whether that is due to construction labor shortages, density, zoning, whatever, it does not matter. AirBnB can exist where there is surplus housing capacity, but should be banned anywhere else. Locals get votes, tourists and AirBnB do not. The harm of not being able to afford housing is far worse than harm incurred by not being able to book a vacation rental you prefer.
- jupp0r 2y ago
  Following your logic, why not ban hotels?
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Hotels go through an approval process to be built, and are regulated (where as AirBnB exists to skirt lodging regulation). Hotels are not competing against residential housing, but AirBnB is.
    - jupp0r 2y ago
      Of course hotels are competing against residential housing. They take up land that could be used for residential housing instead.
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      - bsder 2y ago
        Outside of downtown areas in the biggest cities in the US, it is very unlikely that a hotel is built in an area that people would want to build residential housing. Normally hotels are built near either business or tourist areas. Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Tourist areas tend to be older areas that have strong restrictions on new development--hotels there have to go through long permitting processes.
        jupp0r 2y ago
        Well look at a map of Barcelona. Hotels are in the middle of residential areas throughout the city. Not sure what the permitting process has to do with any of this. Hotels take up land. Land that could be used for residential housing. Permitting can be changed by law (same as banning AirBnbs). https://www.google.com/maps/search/barcelona+hotels/@41.3806314,2.1432791,14z/data=!3m1!4b1?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/search/barcelona+hotels/@41.3806...
        lotsoweiners 2y ago
        > Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Not sure what you’re implying here but in the US homes in the suburbs back up to office parks all the time.
        ghaff 2y ago
        >Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Of course they do. I was just observing yesterday a big condo development right across from a recently-vacated office complex in an ex-urban area where I used to work.
38 2y ago
> get rid of most zoning regulations "most" is doing a lot of work here. don't forget you probably don't want to live next to an airport, railroad, chemical plant
- km3r 2y ago
  No one is suggesting getting rid of industrial zoning. "getting rid of zoning" for the vast majority of people saying it means removing density restrictions and mixed use (business + residential) restrictions.
- pupperino 2y ago
  Well, living near and airport or railroad is priced in, and not really a problem. Chemical plants... A bit of a stretch, isn't it?
  - thechao 2y ago
    I lived a few miles away from the Texas City plant, growing up. A good, stiff, wind, and a penchant for rhinoviruses can solve a lot of chemical-plant-related issues.
    - 38 2y ago
      what does this even mean?

toomuchtodo 2y ago

I argue AirBnB should be banned anywhere building cannot be done at a rate which ensures affordable housing can exist for locals. Whether that is due to construction labor shortages, density, zoning, whatever, it does not matter. AirBnB can exist where there is surplus housing capacity, but should be banned anywhere else. Locals get votes, tourists and AirBnB do not. The harm of not being able to afford housing is far worse than harm incurred by not being able to book a vacation rental you prefer.

jupp0r 2y ago
Following your logic, why not ban hotels?
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Hotels go through an approval process to be built, and are regulated (where as AirBnB exists to skirt lodging regulation). Hotels are not competing against residential housing, but AirBnB is.
  - jupp0r 2y ago
    Of course hotels are competing against residential housing. They take up land that could be used for residential housing instead.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - bsder 2y ago
      Outside of downtown areas in the biggest cities in the US, it is very unlikely that a hotel is built in an area that people would want to build residential housing. Normally hotels are built near either business or tourist areas. Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Tourist areas tend to be older areas that have strong restrictions on new development--hotels there have to go through long permitting processes.
      - jupp0r 2y ago
        Well look at a map of Barcelona. Hotels are in the middle of residential areas throughout the city. Not sure what the permitting process has to do with any of this. Hotels take up land. Land that could be used for residential housing. Permitting can be changed by law (same as banning AirBnbs). https://www.google.com/maps/search/barcelona+hotels/@41.3806314,2.1432791,14z/data=!3m1!4b1?entry=ttu https://www.google.com/maps/search/barcelona+hotels/@41.3806...
      - lotsoweiners 2y ago
        > Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Not sure what you’re implying here but in the US homes in the suburbs back up to office parks all the time.
      - ghaff 2y ago
        >Very few people want their residences in the suburban office park areas. Of course they do. I was just observing yesterday a big condo development right across from a recently-vacated office complex in an ex-urban area where I used to work.

38 2y ago

> get rid of most zoning regulations "most" is doing a lot of work here. don't forget you probably don't want to live next to an airport, railroad, chemical plant

km3r 2y ago
No one is suggesting getting rid of industrial zoning. "getting rid of zoning" for the vast majority of people saying it means removing density restrictions and mixed use (business + residential) restrictions.
pupperino 2y ago
Well, living near and airport or railroad is priced in, and not really a problem. Chemical plants... A bit of a stretch, isn't it?
- thechao 2y ago
  I lived a few miles away from the Texas City plant, growing up. A good, stiff, wind, and a penchant for rhinoviruses can solve a lot of chemical-plant-related issues.
  - 38 2y ago
    what does this even mean?