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Cmon, we're not in 2005 anymore. Linux Desktop is fine for almost everyone even casual user with all big distros.

by lfkdev 2y ago

imabotbeep2937 2y ago
Geeky Linux forums tend to be people who haven't given new distros a chance in decades, and still think Gentoo and RedHat are the major players. (Desktop Linux it's Ubuntu, followed by Debian and CentOS).
- DANmode 2y ago
  LinuxMint, followed by ChromeOS, followed by Ubuntu, et al
- creata 2y ago
  Fedora is a "major player" in desktop Linux, and CentOS isn't being developed any more, is it?
- adamomada 2y ago
  I know you mentioned desktop in the end but it’s funny you got this exactly backwards- almost every Linux on a computer is either gentoo (chromebooks) or red hat/clone of red hat (servers)
  - lfkdev 2y ago
    Debian family is actually much bigger for servers in most of Europe. RedHat seems to be more of an American thing (of course you'll also find redhat in eu and debian in usa, but as a general rule)
- egberts1 2y ago
  Actually, one may want to check the DistroWatch to see what the top rankings are: https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=major https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=major
  - opan 2y ago
    These rankings are based on page views and are easily manipulated. Imagine how many people click on one of the top 20 distros they aren't familiar with to see what it is, which just cements its spot that high up.
    - adamomada 2y ago
      The most interesting section on distrowatch for me is the top reviewed distros.[0] It shows what the hard-core Linux users are (at least) appreciating, if not using. N.B. It has nothing to do with popularity (number of users) [0] https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=ranking https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=ranking
user_7832 2y ago
(Assuming your comment was in reference to GUI) Linux desktop has several issues wrt GUI. Speaking as a windows-familiar but nerdy/techy guy, command lines are nowhere as good. Arch linux's documentation is nice if you know what chroot is for. And why do I need to know about /etc? In comparison in Windows C:/ has program files, or documents in /user1, which make much more sense (to me at least).
- smaudet 2y ago
  > Speaking as a windows-familiar but nerdy/techy guy, command lines are nowhere as good. I mean, speaking as someone working on windows nearly every day, I hate GUI/its GUI. Every single "gui" app is some trash that I wish there were just some cmd line for (and I've been doing this sort of thing for over 10 years, its not lack of familiarity). There are things I want/find lacking in cmd line, to be sure, but they're generally nothing that a better cli interface/script/wiki can't solve better.
  - user_7832 2y ago
    Personally discoverability and ease of use are the biggest issue(s), sometimes related. On Linux you use command lines way more than GUIs. I don't disagree with CLI being efficient if you know it - I'd ideally love both being an option. I wanted to see and just googled how to create a new account: On windows, from my knowledge - open control panel and search for account. Linux - I don't know, so I googled it for Fedora (which I have installed). What I got was [0] - which... talks about UIDs, GIDs, ACLs, UPGs, Shadow Passwords... It's great to have options but I'd love a "Just add an account" option rather than needing the user to understand what's going on. Oh, and most of the explanations are only for the command line even though a GUI exists. For comparison, Windows has [1] which is much more simple. It's been death by a thousand command lines for me on Linux so far unfortunately. Would someone more determined have succeeded? Likely. But if my update fails because of space issues in a drive which needs me to do 'a', and 'a' has an error needing me to do 'b', and 'b' needs me to understand 2000 words to only use 5 words finally in my command... it's exhausting unfortunately. And not to brag or boast but I'm not a tech noob. I'm the go-to tech guy in most rooms. I've mucked around with custom android ROMs and root access on my iPad (trollstore/fileza) and edited registry files and other root-level files without bricking anything. And yes I can use chatgpt to repartition my drive, but c'mon, I'm not that dumb to blindly plug in what it says. I'm going to research the individual commands first and take an hour to realize it was right all along. Sorry if this became too ranty, I'm just pissed because I want to like Linux. But it's really, really hard. 0 - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/system-administrators-guide/basic-system-configuration/Managing_Users_and_Groups/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/system-ad... 1 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-user-accounts-in-windows-104dc19f-6430-4b49-6a2b-e4dbd1dcdf32 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-user-acco...
IshKebab 2y ago
We use RHEL at work, and even though everyone is a programmer we still have regular issues. Two different people managed to accidentally uninstall GNOME and break their entire machine by uninstalling Python2 which it apparently depends on. You're probably thinking "well it will have said it was going to uninstall gnome - they just needed to read it!" and that is exactly why Linux will never really be ready for casual users.
- logicprog 2y ago
  This is why image based distros are helpful. They still allow the same flexibility, but now you do your very deep system level customization either through overlays so that everything is recorded and reversible, or in the cloud through ci/cd so that if you mess something up it doesn't immediately affect your computer at all, and things can be more repeatable. Combine this with rollbacks and such and it's quite good.

Cmon, we're not in 2005 anymore. Linux Desktop is fine for almost everyone even casual user with all big distros.

by lfkdev 2y ago

Cmon, we're not in 2005 anymore. Linux Desktop is fine for almost everyone even casual user with all big distros.

Geeky Linux forums tend to be people who haven't given new distros a chance in decades, and still think Gentoo and RedHat are the major players. (Desktop Linux it's Ubuntu, followed by Debian and CentOS).

DANmode 2y ago
LinuxMint, followed by ChromeOS, followed by Ubuntu, et al
creata 2y ago
Fedora is a "major player" in desktop Linux, and CentOS isn't being developed any more, is it?
adamomada 2y ago
I know you mentioned desktop in the end but it’s funny you got this exactly backwards- almost every Linux on a computer is either gentoo (chromebooks) or red hat/clone of red hat (servers)
- lfkdev 2y ago
  Debian family is actually much bigger for servers in most of Europe. RedHat seems to be more of an American thing (of course you'll also find redhat in eu and debian in usa, but as a general rule)
egberts1 2y ago
Actually, one may want to check the DistroWatch to see what the top rankings are: https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=major https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=major
- opan 2y ago
  These rankings are based on page views and are easily manipulated. Imagine how many people click on one of the top 20 distros they aren't familiar with to see what it is, which just cements its spot that high up.
  - adamomada 2y ago
    The most interesting section on distrowatch for me is the top reviewed distros.[0] It shows what the hard-core Linux users are (at least) appreciating, if not using. N.B. It has nothing to do with popularity (number of users) [0] https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=ranking https://distrowatch.com/dwres-mobile.php?resource=ranking

user_7832 2y ago

(Assuming your comment was in reference to GUI) Linux desktop has several issues wrt GUI. Speaking as a windows-familiar but nerdy/techy guy, command lines are nowhere as good. Arch linux's documentation is nice if you know what chroot is for. And why do I need to know about /etc? In comparison in Windows C:/ has program files, or documents in /user1, which make much more sense (to me at least).

smaudet 2y ago
> Speaking as a windows-familiar but nerdy/techy guy, command lines are nowhere as good. I mean, speaking as someone working on windows nearly every day, I hate GUI/its GUI. Every single "gui" app is some trash that I wish there were just some cmd line for (and I've been doing this sort of thing for over 10 years, its not lack of familiarity). There are things I want/find lacking in cmd line, to be sure, but they're generally nothing that a better cli interface/script/wiki can't solve better.
- user_7832 2y ago
  Personally discoverability and ease of use are the biggest issue(s), sometimes related. On Linux you use command lines way more than GUIs. I don't disagree with CLI being efficient if you know it - I'd ideally love both being an option. I wanted to see and just googled how to create a new account: On windows, from my knowledge - open control panel and search for account. Linux - I don't know, so I googled it for Fedora (which I have installed). What I got was [0] - which... talks about UIDs, GIDs, ACLs, UPGs, Shadow Passwords... It's great to have options but I'd love a "Just add an account" option rather than needing the user to understand what's going on. Oh, and most of the explanations are only for the command line even though a GUI exists. For comparison, Windows has [1] which is much more simple. It's been death by a thousand command lines for me on Linux so far unfortunately. Would someone more determined have succeeded? Likely. But if my update fails because of space issues in a drive which needs me to do 'a', and 'a' has an error needing me to do 'b', and 'b' needs me to understand 2000 words to only use 5 words finally in my command... it's exhausting unfortunately. And not to brag or boast but I'm not a tech noob. I'm the go-to tech guy in most rooms. I've mucked around with custom android ROMs and root access on my iPad (trollstore/fileza) and edited registry files and other root-level files without bricking anything. And yes I can use chatgpt to repartition my drive, but c'mon, I'm not that dumb to blindly plug in what it says. I'm going to research the individual commands first and take an hour to realize it was right all along. Sorry if this became too ranty, I'm just pissed because I want to like Linux. But it's really, really hard. 0 - https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/system-administrators-guide/basic-system-configuration/Managing_Users_and_Groups/ https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/system-ad... 1 - https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-user-accounts-in-windows-104dc19f-6430-4b49-6a2b-e4dbd1dcdf32 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/manage-user-acco...

IshKebab 2y ago

We use RHEL at work, and even though everyone is a programmer we still have regular issues. Two different people managed to accidentally uninstall GNOME and break their entire machine by uninstalling Python2 which it apparently depends on. You're probably thinking "well it will have said it was going to uninstall gnome - they just needed to read it!" and that is exactly why Linux will never really be ready for casual users.

logicprog 2y ago
This is why image based distros are helpful. They still allow the same flexibility, but now you do your very deep system level customization either through overlays so that everything is recorded and reversible, or in the cloud through ci/cd so that if you mess something up it doesn't immediately affect your computer at all, and things can be more repeatable. Combine this with rollbacks and such and it's quite good.