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I think this is a good change for Proton. I hope it leads them to change some of their misleading privacy marketing.

by tabiv 2y ago

crmd 2y ago
Can you elaborate? I’m a proton user who chose them based on their privacy claims.
- leosanchez 2y ago
  I think he talking about e-mails to and from proton mail and other email providers are not really encrypted. Only mails between proton mail are encrypted. That would be my guess.
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  - chuckadams 2y ago
    Individual emails are only encrypted if the sender encrypts them, yes, and it's only enabled by default between protonmail users. However, the mailbox as a whole is encrypted at rest with some one-way method that doesn't allow proton to decrypt it: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption
    - aquatica 2y ago
      > However, the mailbox as a whole is encrypted at rest The server still receives from other servers and from the client (if the email is not going to a proton account) the plain text, so nothing prevents them from making a copy.
      - riku_iki 2y ago
        how other providers (gmail) work in this case?..
      - chuckadams 2y ago
        email is not Signal, and Proton cannot magically turn on encryption for every sender in the world.
  - zolbrek 2y ago
    In one instance they gave up the IP address of an email user to law enforcement (with a warrant I believe).
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    - obelus 2y ago
      They only have to comply with Swiss courts, but they're pretty up front about what they can and can't do, including suggesting Tor for anonymity, and the difference between Mail and VPN in Switzerland (VPN is no logs).
    - haakon 2y ago
      More on that here: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest They swiftly went on to win a court ruling that would prevent this specific situation from repeating. https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy

I think this is a good change for Proton. I hope it leads them to change some of their misleading privacy marketing.

by tabiv 2y ago

I think this is a good change for Proton. I hope it leads them to change some of their misleading privacy marketing.

crmd 2y ago

Can you elaborate? I’m a proton user who chose them based on their privacy claims.

leosanchez 2y ago
I think he talking about e-mails to and from proton mail and other email providers are not really encrypted. Only mails between proton mail are encrypted. That would be my guess.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- chuckadams 2y ago
  Individual emails are only encrypted if the sender encrypts them, yes, and it's only enabled by default between protonmail users. However, the mailbox as a whole is encrypted at rest with some one-way method that doesn't allow proton to decrypt it: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption
  - aquatica 2y ago
    > However, the mailbox as a whole is encrypted at rest The server still receives from other servers and from the client (if the email is not going to a proton account) the plain text, so nothing prevents them from making a copy.
    - riku_iki 2y ago
      how other providers (gmail) work in this case?..
    - chuckadams 2y ago
      email is not Signal, and Proton cannot magically turn on encryption for every sender in the world.
- zolbrek 2y ago
  In one instance they gave up the IP address of an email user to law enforcement (with a warrant I believe).
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - obelus 2y ago
    They only have to comply with Swiss courts, but they're pretty up front about what they can and can't do, including suggesting Tor for anonymity, and the difference between Mail and VPN in Switzerland (VPN is no logs).
  - haakon 2y ago
    More on that here: https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest They swiftly went on to win a court ruling that would prevent this specific situation from repeating. https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy