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> old Italian city Try traffic in India [1][2] If it were a game, then India will be the last boss fight in ultra-hard mode. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch

> old Italian city Try traffic in India [1][2] If it were a game, then India will be the last boss fight in ultra-hard mode. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPiP9PkLAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnPiP9PkLAs [2] https://youtu.be/WC2FUEmKEu8?t=412 https://youtu.be/WC2FUEmKEu8?t=412

yread 2y ago
Do you mean like this? https://youtu.be/4EJLmIC9cJE?si=gincFsBUzYwQmtIs https://youtu.be/4EJLmIC9cJE?si=gincFsBUzYwQmtIs
- oefrha 2y ago
  I see a good number of bikes in the video but no moving car for the most part, and in the few instances of an oncoming car, IIRC the other car was yielding, the auto-driving car just stayed its path, maybe slowed a bit. No cutting, no weaving, no squeezing, no nothing. Not the kind of “dense traffic” I have in mind. I would call it light-to-no traffic on poor roads.
deng 2y ago
It already fails in Manhattan. I know that by US standards, the traffic in Manhattan is already considered chaos, but it's usually pretty tame compared to other countries. There are these videos by this HUGE Tesla fanboy, just look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws (good luck arguing that when you make him do an emergency stop...). It's even worse in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9pKytV94I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9pKytV94I FSD consistently has problems with pedestrians in NY, who of course will just walk also on a red light if you hesitate during turning. US people might consider this "chaos", but it's perfectly normal behavior in many countries, where a red light for pedestrians is more a suggestion than a rule...
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws More specifically, the cop car had its lights on and emergency siren going, so presumably was trying to respond to a call, in which case it is the responsibility of other vehicles to get out of the cop's way. > US people might consider this "chaos", but it's perfectly normal behavior in many countries, where a red light for pedestrians is more a suggestion than a rule... Also worth nothing the "jaywalking" is not a thing in many jurisdictions: * https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking
- catlikesshrimp 2y ago
  About other countries: Well, the pedestrian is always bargaining with its physical integrity. The pedestrian must damn well always be right unless it is definitely suicidal (not rethorical)
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws Emergency responder (fire/paramedic) here. EVIP (Emergency Vehicle Incident Prevention) is a course that in most states, responders are required to take to operate a vehicle in "emergency mode" (i.e. lights, sirens, both). In some states it also serves as a replacement/alternate for requiring a CDL for larger vehicles. In "emergency mode", the vehicle, based on most state's laws or administrative codes, "may ignore any and all rules of the road, including but not limited to, speed limits, traffic control signals, designated lane markings, one way directionality". Quite simply, on the road, in emergency mode there is no "obeying traffic laws"... BUT... What the words give you, the fine print often takes away. While in emergency mode, the driver of the emergency vehicle is -presumptively liable- for ANY incident that occurs, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise (and even then there is still likely to be contributory liability). This liability is personal and organizational (i.e. I can be personally sued if I hit someone in my ambulance, even going code 3). To mitigate this, in additional to the department/organization's own insurance coverage (often self-insured by the appropriate government entity) will draw up their own department policy that applies intermediate limits (i.e. while the admin code may allow me to drive at any speed I like, our department policy says I may exceed the speed limit by no more than X mph, and X is reduced by 5 for every complicating factor, like night, or weather). The department will then take a separate insurance policy that says as long as I am within department policy rules, they will cover any personal liability that may occur.
glitchcrab 2y ago
I was driving a rental in Marrakech last week; that was an intense experience but India is on another level.
belter 2y ago
Oh my, that person dressed in white: https://youtu.be/KnPiP9PkLAs?t=55 https://youtu.be/KnPiP9PkLAs?t=55
tim333 2y ago
Ho Chi Minh would be quite an interesting challenge https://youtu.be/1ZupwFOhjl4?t=18 https://youtu.be/1ZupwFOhjl4?t=18 I used to bike in that. Not actually quite a bad as it looks but I think it would confuse the FSD.

yread 2y ago

Do you mean like this? https://youtu.be/4EJLmIC9cJE?si=gincFsBUzYwQmtIs https://youtu.be/4EJLmIC9cJE?si=gincFsBUzYwQmtIs

oefrha 2y ago
I see a good number of bikes in the video but no moving car for the most part, and in the few instances of an oncoming car, IIRC the other car was yielding, the auto-driving car just stayed its path, maybe slowed a bit. No cutting, no weaving, no squeezing, no nothing. Not the kind of “dense traffic” I have in mind. I would call it light-to-no traffic on poor roads.

deng 2y ago

It already fails in Manhattan. I know that by US standards, the traffic in Manhattan is already considered chaos, but it's usually pretty tame compared to other countries. There are these videos by this HUGE Tesla fanboy, just look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo_hC84OSwg where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws (good luck arguing that when you make him do an emergency stop...). It's even worse in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9pKytV94I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL9pKytV94I FSD consistently has problems with pedestrians in NY, who of course will just walk also on a red light if you hesitate during turning. US people might consider this "chaos", but it's perfectly normal behavior in many countries, where a red light for pedestrians is more a suggestion than a rule...

throw0101d 2y ago
> where at 8:20 it fails to properly deal with a cop car and the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws More specifically, the cop car had its lights on and emergency siren going, so presumably was trying to respond to a call, in which case it is the responsibility of other vehicles to get out of the cop's way. > US people might consider this "chaos", but it's perfectly normal behavior in many countries, where a red light for pedestrians is more a suggestion than a rule... Also worth nothing the "jaywalking" is not a thing in many jurisdictions: * https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-history * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking
catlikesshrimp 2y ago
About other countries: Well, the pedestrian is always bargaining with its physical integrity. The pedestrian must damn well always be right unless it is definitely suicidal (not rethorical)
FireBeyond 2y ago
> the fanboy complains that the cop did not obey traffic laws Emergency responder (fire/paramedic) here. EVIP (Emergency Vehicle Incident Prevention) is a course that in most states, responders are required to take to operate a vehicle in "emergency mode" (i.e. lights, sirens, both). In some states it also serves as a replacement/alternate for requiring a CDL for larger vehicles. In "emergency mode", the vehicle, based on most state's laws or administrative codes, "may ignore any and all rules of the road, including but not limited to, speed limits, traffic control signals, designated lane markings, one way directionality". Quite simply, on the road, in emergency mode there is no "obeying traffic laws"... BUT... What the words give you, the fine print often takes away. While in emergency mode, the driver of the emergency vehicle is -presumptively liable- for ANY incident that occurs, unless it can be demonstrated otherwise (and even then there is still likely to be contributory liability). This liability is personal and organizational (i.e. I can be personally sued if I hit someone in my ambulance, even going code 3). To mitigate this, in additional to the department/organization's own insurance coverage (often self-insured by the appropriate government entity) will draw up their own department policy that applies intermediate limits (i.e. while the admin code may allow me to drive at any speed I like, our department policy says I may exceed the speed limit by no more than X mph, and X is reduced by 5 for every complicating factor, like night, or weather). The department will then take a separate insurance policy that says as long as I am within department policy rules, they will cover any personal liability that may occur.

glitchcrab 2y ago

I was driving a rental in Marrakech last week; that was an intense experience but India is on another level.

belter 2y ago

Oh my, that person dressed in white: https://youtu.be/KnPiP9PkLAs?t=55 https://youtu.be/KnPiP9PkLAs?t=55

tim333 2y ago

Ho Chi Minh would be quite an interesting challenge https://youtu.be/1ZupwFOhjl4?t=18 https://youtu.be/1ZupwFOhjl4?t=18 I used to bike in that. Not actually quite a bad as it looks but I think it would confuse the FSD.