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Yeah, at the same time: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/volkswagen-chef-deutschland-ist-viel-besser-als-das-bild-das-aktuell-gezeichnet-wird-a-f9cb0

Yeah, at the same time: https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/volkswagen-chef-deutschland-ist-viel-besser-als-das-bild-das-aktuell-gezeichnet-wird-a-f9cb036d-396a-47f1-b582-57ef4d16c529 https://www.manager-magazin.de/unternehmen/volkswagen-chef-d... "Germany much better than the picture painted" https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/arbeitslosenquote-im-euroraum-auf-rekordtiefstand-102.html https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/arbeitslosenquote-im-euroraum... "Unemployed rate at its lowest in the EU" Similarly, in the US: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll... "Majority of Americans wrongly believe US is in recession" We wouldn't be where we are with right-wing votes if we wouldn't have this much panic pessimistic breaking news everywhere I feel. There are definitely more perspectives. (And yes I know, unfair distribution plays also a huge part in very different perspectives..).

redeeman 2y ago
you think people that "incorrectly believe the US is in recession" go by doomsday news? they look at their pocket when buying groceries, they looked at the glorious effects of bidenomics on their own life, and how it has been made that much harder, and form their opinions. When the talking heads on TV bask in how great the economy is, they speak from a position where their insider-trading fueled gains are so far away from the world of normal people that they barely could even point to a "normal person" if they were dumped in the middle of a crowd of them
- lkramer 2y ago
  I am not American, and I don't know all the finer details, but weren't a lot of the inflation issues post covid a direct result of Trump's unrestrained borrowing even in a growth economy, all in the name of keeping the stock markets growing as your primary indicator of economic success a big factor? Certainly looking at the UK economy, I can trace back the source of our current problems well beyond the current election cycles even if the incompetence of the current government has not helped.
  - User23 2y ago
    No, this has nothing to do with Trump. The USA has been in “unrestrained borrowing” because it’s been funding itself with continuing resolutions rather than a budget since 2009. That means that the extra trillion dollars in 2009 “temporary” stimulus has been added to the debt every year since on top of the prior trajectory. This is easily seen if you look at the relevant graphs on FRED. That said, government borrowing or money creation doesn’t directly cause inflation either. Sad to say, the inflation we’re seeing appears to be as much on the production and importing side as it is on the demand side.
    - hobs 2y ago
      > We estimate the ten-year cost of the legislation and executive actions President Trump signed into law was about $8.4 trillion, with interest. Yep, nothing to do with trump. https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-debt https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-...
      - User23 2y ago
        You’re providing a good example of how partisan bias makes you both snarky and stupid. For your own sake you may want to check that impulse. Otherwise, you are, despite your sarcasm, stating the truth. Nevertheless it might behoove you to learn more about how the US system operates. Like Biden after him and Obama before him, Trump had the choice to either sign the continuing resolutions that Congress sent him, or to refuse to fund the government altogether. This is something called Hobson’s choice and it’s not really a choice at all.
        hobs 2y ago
        The "lets get a huge tax break done" was absolutely his goal and plan and part of his election campaign, I didn't say anything partisan, simply stating that trump was absolutely part of the problem. You wont find me defending any president :)
        2y ago
- User23 2y ago
  In the US the term recession has no specific definition. So whether or not we’re in one doesn’t mean much.
- soco 2y ago
  The point was about Germany where the pet theory of failing bidenomics simply does not apply. Recession or not, call it as you want but the prices for the regular guy did increase a lot lately.
- lyu07282 2y ago
  I agree to some extend, economists measure how well the richest oligarchs are doing, never how much normal people are struggling. But to single out Biden suggests to me that delusion that Trump would somehow do better or is somehow less out of touch?
ozim 2y ago
One company I worked for was always „in recession” especially when you asked about salary increases.
- rqtwteye 2y ago
  Mine too! Stock is up, CEO pay is up, but the business environment is very difficult when you ask for a raise c
snowpid 2y ago
is there any reason why this post is voted down?
- dailykoder 2y ago
  because of the 'panic pessimistic breaking news everywhere', I guess. Somehow people want to believe that it's all really THAT bad and not that we are managing those hard times quite okay-ish
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    If you only knew how bad things really are
    - snowpid 2y ago
      so how bad things in Germany really are?
  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    >Somehow people want to believe that it's all really THAT bad and not that we are managing those hard times quite okay-ish You: enlightened People voting against their governments across the world: no idea how good things are.
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >is there any reason why this post is voted down? Because it presumes the only reason people are voting "right-wing" is because they are reading "doomsday news". Versus, you know, disagreeing with the way the "left wing" have been running things. Not sure why the left are going with "You're not poor, look at these charts" as a political strategy, but unsurprisingly, people aren't buying it...the world over.
  - lyu07282 2y ago
    Describing liberals as left wing is really frustrating but it demonstrates exactly how liberal politics lead to right-wing authoritarianism and how ineffective liberals are at countering right-wing populism. If you think this way remember all the left-wing popular movements in recent times, like Occupy Wallstreet, Universal Healthcare, Climate Change, BLM or Palestine Solidarity. Now why do you think liberals in power did absolutely nothing for any of those causes? Why do left-wing protests do nothing if we are ruled by left-wing politicians?

redeeman 2y ago

you think people that "incorrectly believe the US is in recession" go by doomsday news? they look at their pocket when buying groceries, they looked at the glorious effects of bidenomics on their own life, and how it has been made that much harder, and form their opinions. When the talking heads on TV bask in how great the economy is, they speak from a position where their insider-trading fueled gains are so far away from the world of normal people that they barely could even point to a "normal person" if they were dumped in the middle of a crowd of them

lkramer 2y ago
I am not American, and I don't know all the finer details, but weren't a lot of the inflation issues post covid a direct result of Trump's unrestrained borrowing even in a growth economy, all in the name of keeping the stock markets growing as your primary indicator of economic success a big factor? Certainly looking at the UK economy, I can trace back the source of our current problems well beyond the current election cycles even if the incompetence of the current government has not helped.
- User23 2y ago
  No, this has nothing to do with Trump. The USA has been in “unrestrained borrowing” because it’s been funding itself with continuing resolutions rather than a budget since 2009. That means that the extra trillion dollars in 2009 “temporary” stimulus has been added to the debt every year since on top of the prior trajectory. This is easily seen if you look at the relevant graphs on FRED. That said, government borrowing or money creation doesn’t directly cause inflation either. Sad to say, the inflation we’re seeing appears to be as much on the production and importing side as it is on the demand side.
  - hobs 2y ago
    > We estimate the ten-year cost of the legislation and executive actions President Trump signed into law was about $8.4 trillion, with interest. Yep, nothing to do with trump. https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-debt https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-did-president-trump-add-...
    - User23 2y ago
      You’re providing a good example of how partisan bias makes you both snarky and stupid. For your own sake you may want to check that impulse. Otherwise, you are, despite your sarcasm, stating the truth. Nevertheless it might behoove you to learn more about how the US system operates. Like Biden after him and Obama before him, Trump had the choice to either sign the continuing resolutions that Congress sent him, or to refuse to fund the government altogether. This is something called Hobson’s choice and it’s not really a choice at all.
      - hobs 2y ago
        The "lets get a huge tax break done" was absolutely his goal and plan and part of his election campaign, I didn't say anything partisan, simply stating that trump was absolutely part of the problem. You wont find me defending any president :)
        2y ago
User23 2y ago
In the US the term recession has no specific definition. So whether or not we’re in one doesn’t mean much.
soco 2y ago
The point was about Germany where the pet theory of failing bidenomics simply does not apply. Recession or not, call it as you want but the prices for the regular guy did increase a lot lately.
lyu07282 2y ago
I agree to some extend, economists measure how well the richest oligarchs are doing, never how much normal people are struggling. But to single out Biden suggests to me that delusion that Trump would somehow do better or is somehow less out of touch?

ozim 2y ago

One company I worked for was always „in recession” especially when you asked about salary increases.

rqtwteye 2y ago
Mine too! Stock is up, CEO pay is up, but the business environment is very difficult when you ask for a raise c

snowpid 2y ago

is there any reason why this post is voted down?

dailykoder 2y ago
because of the 'panic pessimistic breaking news everywhere', I guess. Somehow people want to believe that it's all really THAT bad and not that we are managing those hard times quite okay-ish
- portaouflop 2y ago
  If you only knew how bad things really are
  - snowpid 2y ago
    so how bad things in Germany really are?
- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >Somehow people want to believe that it's all really THAT bad and not that we are managing those hard times quite okay-ish You: enlightened People voting against their governments across the world: no idea how good things are.
itsoktocry 2y ago
>is there any reason why this post is voted down? Because it presumes the only reason people are voting "right-wing" is because they are reading "doomsday news". Versus, you know, disagreeing with the way the "left wing" have been running things. Not sure why the left are going with "You're not poor, look at these charts" as a political strategy, but unsurprisingly, people aren't buying it...the world over.
- lyu07282 2y ago
  Describing liberals as left wing is really frustrating but it demonstrates exactly how liberal politics lead to right-wing authoritarianism and how ineffective liberals are at countering right-wing populism. If you think this way remember all the left-wing popular movements in recent times, like Occupy Wallstreet, Universal Healthcare, Climate Change, BLM or Palestine Solidarity. Now why do you think liberals in power did absolutely nothing for any of those causes? Why do left-wing protests do nothing if we are ruled by left-wing politicians?