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I checked sources, turns out literally tens of millions of people vocally and loudly disagree with you. I think it's not helpful to anyone to come in here and

by yareal 2y ago

I checked sources, turns out literally tens of millions of people vocally and loudly disagree with you. I think it's not helpful to anyone to come in here and be so resolute and so black and white. Especially in the face of an event that has drawn the eye of the international community as a potential genocide. I'm not telling you what to believe, just that like, posting like you did is not engaging in any meaningful discussion.

YZF 2y ago
[EDIT: ok, I'm gonna remove my appeal/preaching] I think the parent is referring to the situation before Oct 7th and likely going back to Israel's withdrawal in 2005. The detail I think he's trying to put forward is that before Israel's withdrawal the settlers in Gaza operated a flower export business of about that economic magnitude and that the greenhouses and infrastructure that was used for that business was left after Israel withdrew. There is some discussion of this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy [snippety snip]
- houseplant 2y ago
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  - YZF 2y ago
    I don't think I said that. We're talking about the history of the conflict which I think is important. The Israeli disengagement from Gaza in 2005 is part of how we got here so I think it's important for people following the conflict to know the details and not just respond emotionally to the terrible images of war- which I agree are disturbing.
    - dunekid 2y ago
      Please do mention about the complete sea, air, and land blockade of Gaza, when you do that. You can mention the raid on Gaza freedom flotilla as well. While Israel supposedly disengaged from Gaza, it had conducted similar attacks with hundreds of human casualties under the pretense of operational readiness, training, and the notorious mowing the lawn operations. Of course some of them were so called retribution and responses, which mostly begins by rockets on Israel soil, but not by the brutal oppression it administers to Gazans.
zo1 2y ago
Not OP. Sometimes it's good to have a lack of nuance and come with absolute black/white thoughts. At some point, we all internally, draw our own lines in the sand about how we think on a topic (that is hopefully until we encounter new information that necessitates a change). I know for a fact that my opinion on this topic is not accepted, likely won't be accepted by either prominent side, but I stick with it because it conforms to my internal thoughts, priorities and problem-solving properties.
nailer 2y ago
> I checked sources, turns out literally tens of millions of people vocally and loudly disagree with you. That is not how truth works.

by yareal 2y ago

YZF 2y ago

[EDIT: ok, I'm gonna remove my appeal/preaching] I think the parent is referring to the situation before Oct 7th and likely going back to Israel's withdrawal in 2005. The detail I think he's trying to put forward is that before Israel's withdrawal the settlers in Gaza operated a flower export business of about that economic magnitude and that the greenhouses and infrastructure that was used for that business was left after Israel withdrew. There is some discussion of this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Katif#Economy [snippety snip]

houseplant 2y ago
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- YZF 2y ago
  I don't think I said that. We're talking about the history of the conflict which I think is important. The Israeli disengagement from Gaza in 2005 is part of how we got here so I think it's important for people following the conflict to know the details and not just respond emotionally to the terrible images of war- which I agree are disturbing.
  - dunekid 2y ago
    Please do mention about the complete sea, air, and land blockade of Gaza, when you do that. You can mention the raid on Gaza freedom flotilla as well. While Israel supposedly disengaged from Gaza, it had conducted similar attacks with hundreds of human casualties under the pretense of operational readiness, training, and the notorious mowing the lawn operations. Of course some of them were so called retribution and responses, which mostly begins by rockets on Israel soil, but not by the brutal oppression it administers to Gazans.

zo1 2y ago

Not OP. Sometimes it's good to have a lack of nuance and come with absolute black/white thoughts. At some point, we all internally, draw our own lines in the sand about how we think on a topic (that is hopefully until we encounter new information that necessitates a change). I know for a fact that my opinion on this topic is not accepted, likely won't be accepted by either prominent side, but I stick with it because it conforms to my internal thoughts, priorities and problem-solving properties.

nailer 2y ago

> I checked sources, turns out literally tens of millions of people vocally and loudly disagree with you. That is not how truth works.