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With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is lik

With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

Dalewyn 2y ago
>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and haven't even lost an unusually large number of seats. There obviously are exceptions when looking at the election more microscopically, like in France, but overall it's mainstream misleadia. What's surprising to me is this disinformation campaign by the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want.
- swiftcoder 2y ago
  > the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want Whatever gave you that impression? A significant percentage of all media outlets are owned by very right-leaning businessmen, or otherwise entangled in capitalism to such extent that it may bias their judgement
  - verticalscaler 2y ago
    A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.
    - dragonwriter 2y ago
      No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)
      - verticalscaler 2y ago
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        dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Since you use language like "neoliberal corporate capitalist" and "ruling classes" consider that you are so far on the left yourself that everything seems center-right at best to you. That’s...very much not true. I use terminology more popular with people to the left of my own position because it is the most fit for the purpose. > Is The Guardian not socialist enough to your tastes or something? The Guardian is left of the median of major Western media outlets, not a representation of where the Western media is centered.
    - swiftcoder 2y ago
      [citation needed] A large portion of western media is state-funded public broadcasters (the BBC, CBC, PBS, ...), and another large swathe is under the control of various explicitly right-leaning corporations (Murdoch's News Corp and Fox, Sinclair, ...). While there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets, it is entirely unclear to me that they have equivalent reach to their conservative counterparts.
      - verticalscaler 2y ago
        NPR is state-funded and is far-far left. If you consider PBS and BBC to somehow be conservative I guess that's why things are entirely unclear to you. What on earth would you like me to cite? plurality /ploo͝-răl′ĭ-tē/ noun A large number or amount; a multitude. > there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets Ahem..
        adleyjulian 2y ago
        Ground News uses bias ratings from Ad Fontes Media, All Sides, and Media Bias/Fact Check; they rate NPR as Center, Lean Left, and Lean Left respectively. If you consider NPR to be far-far left then what is Jezebel, The Young Turks, Jacobin, or Democracy Now? That's not even getting into things like Socialist Alternative or pod casts like Chapo Trap House. Between the ones I listed and NPR are sites like Slate and Vox which are to the left of NPR but not as far left as Democracy Now.
        swiftcoder 2y ago
        The BBC generally tends towards the center-left, but also takes some characteristically right-wing stances - they they have at times been vocally anti-trans), they were on balance pro-brexit, and they tend to lean right on immigration and religion.
- fragmede 2y ago
  well if you want to go all conspiracy theory, the media wants clicks because that gets them ad revenue, and so are making it seem like the right is winning because it gets you to click on the article which then, after you've scrolled past a bunch of ads, tells you they didn't actually win that many seats.
- isitdopamine 2y ago
  > The Left still holds majority This is factually incorrect. Summing the votes of all parties that could be considered left (Green, S&D and The Left) you get 224 seats, which is about 31% of the European Union Parliament.
nebula8804 2y ago
I was at the most recent CCC conference and there was a discussion on "Spotting tech fictions as replacement for social and political change". What I heard was the same line of thinking I had heard since the COP21 Paris Climate Conference 10 years ago. The solution is to push the green agenda through activism and pressuring politicians/corporations to enact sweeping motions. During this talk, they discussed pushing people to take the bus in place of getting an EV with a series of methods to penalize owning a vehicle. Its funny how given yesterday's results the talk that happened in the last days of Dec (so just 6 months ago) is now looking obsolete but I saw this over the last 10 years as the promised commitments of COP21 fell by the wayside anyway. I used to joke about how conservatives in the US lived in a bubble. Now I am seeing techies like the OP are also in a bubble.
- verticalscaler 2y ago
  I recall speeches by British celebs in the late 90s when this sort of thing first became fashionable. Some lady told a huge crowd that they need to unplug their kettles. You are not serious people. But I'm sure it feels great to sit around at conferences and discuss "pushing people to take the bus". Heck, it is a whole industry unto itself, isn't it? P.S. - I do think climate change is a serious issue. Figured I'd mention that before the usual responses that shun and excommunicate me as a "denier". This will simply not have "political solutions". Realistically the greens are counter productive to the max and always have been. It is simply the self-flagellation remnant bits of defunct religions. Devoid of rationality. See also: Germany and nuclear power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    Out of curiosity, what do you think should be done to mitigate the climate issue? I personally believe in engineering solutions that are better than the current solutions. With the collapse in prices for EVs, I am drooling over these super cheap electric cars and hope to one day have a backup used car just for fun trips around town. Or maybe just pick up a single long range EV for a little bit more. Right now the repair market is still in its early stages but its getting there. I dream of owning a single EV model that lasts me for 30 years powered by solar. Plus the cost of electricity is trending towards 0. I am always trying to find ways to swap out my lifestyle with something more efficient. Am I an outlier, yes but I see technical solutions coming to the mass market and I remain optimistic a tiny bit.

With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) their long-standing stance on eWaste (and similar consumer-oriented regulation) is likely to be casualty.

Dalewyn 2y ago

>With the EU now going centre-right (and largely at the expense of Greens) I'm annoyed by the media coverage which all imply the Right won seats at the expense of the Left when, as you say, it's mostly the Greens (who, yes, are technically Left) who lost seats. What's even more annoying though is I need to take a magnifying glass to even see the additional seats won by the Right. The Left still holds majority and haven't even lost an unusually large number of seats. There obviously are exceptions when looking at the election more microscopically, like in France, but overall it's mainstream misleadia. What's surprising to me is this disinformation campaign by the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want.

swiftcoder 2y ago
> the media only serves to try and empower the Right, which I always thought was something the media do not want Whatever gave you that impression? A significant percentage of all media outlets are owned by very right-leaning businessmen, or otherwise entangled in capitalism to such extent that it may bias their judgement
- verticalscaler 2y ago
  A plurality of Western media is far-far-left leaning.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    No, its not, measured by reach or influence. Probably not by number of outlets, either, not that it would matter. The dominant Western media position is center-right neoliberal corporate capitalist (unsurprisingly, reflect both the ruling class of Western society and, as its the same class, the class that predominantly owns corporations, including media corps.)
    - verticalscaler 2y ago
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      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Since you use language like "neoliberal corporate capitalist" and "ruling classes" consider that you are so far on the left yourself that everything seems center-right at best to you. That’s...very much not true. I use terminology more popular with people to the left of my own position because it is the most fit for the purpose. > Is The Guardian not socialist enough to your tastes or something? The Guardian is left of the median of major Western media outlets, not a representation of where the Western media is centered.
  - swiftcoder 2y ago
    [citation needed] A large portion of western media is state-funded public broadcasters (the BBC, CBC, PBS, ...), and another large swathe is under the control of various explicitly right-leaning corporations (Murdoch's News Corp and Fox, Sinclair, ...). While there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets, it is entirely unclear to me that they have equivalent reach to their conservative counterparts.
    - verticalscaler 2y ago
      NPR is state-funded and is far-far left. If you consider PBS and BBC to somehow be conservative I guess that's why things are entirely unclear to you. What on earth would you like me to cite? plurality /ploo͝-răl′ĭ-tē/ noun A large number or amount; a multitude. > there are indeed numerous liberal-leaning media outlets Ahem..
      - adleyjulian 2y ago
        Ground News uses bias ratings from Ad Fontes Media, All Sides, and Media Bias/Fact Check; they rate NPR as Center, Lean Left, and Lean Left respectively. If you consider NPR to be far-far left then what is Jezebel, The Young Turks, Jacobin, or Democracy Now? That's not even getting into things like Socialist Alternative or pod casts like Chapo Trap House. Between the ones I listed and NPR are sites like Slate and Vox which are to the left of NPR but not as far left as Democracy Now.
      - swiftcoder 2y ago
        The BBC generally tends towards the center-left, but also takes some characteristically right-wing stances - they they have at times been vocally anti-trans), they were on balance pro-brexit, and they tend to lean right on immigration and religion.
fragmede 2y ago
well if you want to go all conspiracy theory, the media wants clicks because that gets them ad revenue, and so are making it seem like the right is winning because it gets you to click on the article which then, after you've scrolled past a bunch of ads, tells you they didn't actually win that many seats.
isitdopamine 2y ago
> The Left still holds majority This is factually incorrect. Summing the votes of all parties that could be considered left (Green, S&D and The Left) you get 224 seats, which is about 31% of the European Union Parliament.

nebula8804 2y ago

I was at the most recent CCC conference and there was a discussion on "Spotting tech fictions as replacement for social and political change". What I heard was the same line of thinking I had heard since the COP21 Paris Climate Conference 10 years ago. The solution is to push the green agenda through activism and pressuring politicians/corporations to enact sweeping motions. During this talk, they discussed pushing people to take the bus in place of getting an EV with a series of methods to penalize owning a vehicle. Its funny how given yesterday's results the talk that happened in the last days of Dec (so just 6 months ago) is now looking obsolete but I saw this over the last 10 years as the promised commitments of COP21 fell by the wayside anyway. I used to joke about how conservatives in the US lived in a bubble. Now I am seeing techies like the OP are also in a bubble.

verticalscaler 2y ago
I recall speeches by British celebs in the late 90s when this sort of thing first became fashionable. Some lady told a huge crowd that they need to unplug their kettles. You are not serious people. But I'm sure it feels great to sit around at conferences and discuss "pushing people to take the bus". Heck, it is a whole industry unto itself, isn't it? P.S. - I do think climate change is a serious issue. Figured I'd mention that before the usual responses that shun and excommunicate me as a "denier". This will simply not have "political solutions". Realistically the greens are counter productive to the max and always have been. It is simply the self-flagellation remnant bits of defunct religions. Devoid of rationality. See also: Germany and nuclear power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- nebula8804 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, what do you think should be done to mitigate the climate issue? I personally believe in engineering solutions that are better than the current solutions. With the collapse in prices for EVs, I am drooling over these super cheap electric cars and hope to one day have a backup used car just for fun trips around town. Or maybe just pick up a single long range EV for a little bit more. Right now the repair market is still in its early stages but its getting there. I dream of owning a single EV model that lasts me for 30 years powered by solar. Plus the cost of electricity is trending towards 0. I am always trying to find ways to swap out my lifestyle with something more efficient. Am I an outlier, yes but I see technical solutions coming to the mass market and I remain optimistic a tiny bit.