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1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search wh

1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

fckgw 2y ago
1Password has gotten way, way better than it was a few years ago in my opinion. Tons of new features and the redesign a couple years ago was a big improvement.
- jen20 2y ago
  The electron rewrite was a significant step backwards regardless of features and quality. I cannot wait to ditch 1P.
  - e40 2y ago
    How was it a step backward? I have noticed zero downsides to 8 compared to the previous version. I'm comparing the current version to the last version 7 I used. This electron hate is such a headscratcher for me.
    - sgarland 2y ago
      Generally speaking, Electron apps are larger and slower than their native cousins. I just checked on my M1 Mac, and between the Safari extension (which somehow consumes more memory than the app itself) the main app, and various helpers / renderers, it clocks in at 410 MB of RAM. I'll give you that it's also acting as an SSH Agent, but that still seems rather large for the functionality. Personally, I noticed a slowdown in responsiveness immediately when switching from 7 to 8.
      - lightwords 2y ago
        It's clocking in at 120MB on my machine and launches instantly. I don't get this blind hate for Electron, it has made software runnable on more platform than ever with less development resources.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - Washuu 2y ago
        It takes 10+ seconds to load the 1Password extension window in Firefox after some upgrade this year. They really screwed something up.
        e40 2y ago
        Loads instantly for me on macOS.
  - fourfour3 2y ago
    I agree with this a lot. I miss 1Password Mini in particular still (and no, Quick Access is not a replacement).
  - xnyan 2y ago
    I hear this, and I believe people, but it leaves me in a confused state because I don't understand. I (think) I've used them all, and the only password manager that is in the same class or better is bitwarden, which is also web/electron.
    - jen20 2y ago
      Previous versions of 1p are an existence proofs of something better!
- klabb3 2y ago
  > Tons of new features and the redesign After LastPass lost it I shopped around and avoided 1Password precisely because it looks and is marketed like typical feature-oriented apps powered by VC valuations and growth metrics. I do not like trigger happy product management near critical single-purpose software. It’s already quite challenging, because pw managers need (1) offline support (2) a sync protocol that’s virtually bug free and (3) state of the art crypto/security and (4) wide cross platform support. I prefer such an app to sit basically dormant until there’s a new industry development (like passkeys) to keep up with the times. And even then, those features should only be added thoughtfully with a defensive mindset to ensure stability going forward. So tldr, your stated benefits are in fact the very reason a lot of people don’t like it.
  - lghh 2y ago
    I don't understand this sentiment. I'm not attacking, I'm trying to understand. So if there's opportunity for a feature that adds real value for many people to an application without it affecting the core of the product, it shouldn't be added? I can add passwords and unlock websites just as quickly with 1Password as I could 8 years ago. Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?
    - vintagedave 2y ago
      Because they keep on changing the product at the same time. If they added value and left what worked still working, it'd be great. But they change things, and it's buggy, and the UX is worse, and I just want the nice productive utility I had a few years ago. You say you can do things as fast as you could eight years ago -- but I can _not._ See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644525
    - klabb3 2y ago
      It’s based on experience that more features tend to break functionality, change user workflows and changes in product strategy, sometimes even companies get acquired or shut down things. Of course, these things can happen to any product in theory, but with experience I’ve developed a bit of a radar for what kind of company is behind a product based on their design, website, marketing etc. > Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference? Like what? I’ve had the same experience with 2 pw managers for probably a decade, and the only noticeable change has been passkeys. Note that for me it’s personal use only though.
pupppet 2y ago
I dislike the new search so much, just make search work like it does in every other application. If you're reinventing the wheel for something so basic that's the first sign you're doing something very wrong.
ivan_gammel 2y ago
I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best password manager on the market by many measures. What is your experience exactly?
- MrDarcy 2y ago
  For me, I paid full price for the app. I attached many important documents such as my ID, SSN Card, my original birth cert, even the deed to my house. If I pass my wife knows where to get this info. When my son was born I went to add his birth cert and SSN. I couldn’t. The “attach file” button is still there but it simply doesn’t work any more. After hours of troubleshooting I finally found a discussion on their own support form where they acknowledged they explicitly disabled this feature. The solution is to switch to a paid subscription. I’ll never buy software from them again. That’s just one example. They’ve removed similar functionality from cloud sync services to compel users to buy a subscription.
  - maigret 2y ago
    Sad indeed but the days of 0 interest rates are gone. Plus, software engineers in many countries are now massively more expensive.
    - acdha 2y ago
      They have a PR department, don’t give your time bro bono to spin it for them. With as many customers as they have, they’re in no danger of not being able to pay developers.
    - TeMPOraL 2y ago
      Software that's done doesn't need as many software engineers to look after it.
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e40 2y ago
I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(ish). Another data point: my 85 year old mother used to have issues with 7. She'd get confused about things. With 8, it's been clear sailing for her. That's pretty impressive to me.
- pasc1878 2y ago
  1password 8 on iOS is fine and I note no issues with it, it just works. On macOS 1pw 7 worked with no issues, 1pw 8 doesn't However the big issue is that 1pw8 requires you to use their cloud - so if someone takes over the company and changes things or the company goes bust or even if the company's servers get hit by DDOS you lose all things. 1pw7 allowed you to keep the main db on anything and use multiple sync mechanism. For example you could keep the data all on machines you own, you could be a business and that would matter for security. Yes cloud etc is secure but there are cases where you don't want things to be anywhere not on your machines.
yreg 2y ago
>1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. You can still use the standalone 1Password 6…
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  A lot of the browser integrations are broken if you run older releases I think. Even 7 doesn't work with Chrome anymore.
gregoriol 2y ago
I still use 1Password 7
- AlexandrB 2y ago
  Yup. Wish I could go back to 6 because 7 feels noticeable slower, but 8 is a non-starter due to the lack of self-hosting or local vault options. I also hate how a bunch of "babysitting" features are forced on you in later (after 5 or so) 1Password releases. I don't want Watchtower to be pegged to the top of the sidebar - but there it is anyways. I don't want to set a password hint for the master password, but I'm forced to regardless.
  - gregoriol 2y ago
    Yeah, Watchtower is horrible, also search is sometimes really bad when you have a lot of different logins for the same domain

fckgw 2y ago

1Password has gotten way, way better than it was a few years ago in my opinion. Tons of new features and the redesign a couple years ago was a big improvement.

jen20 2y ago
The electron rewrite was a significant step backwards regardless of features and quality. I cannot wait to ditch 1P.
- e40 2y ago
  How was it a step backward? I have noticed zero downsides to 8 compared to the previous version. I'm comparing the current version to the last version 7 I used. This electron hate is such a headscratcher for me.
  - sgarland 2y ago
    Generally speaking, Electron apps are larger and slower than their native cousins. I just checked on my M1 Mac, and between the Safari extension (which somehow consumes more memory than the app itself) the main app, and various helpers / renderers, it clocks in at 410 MB of RAM. I'll give you that it's also acting as an SSH Agent, but that still seems rather large for the functionality. Personally, I noticed a slowdown in responsiveness immediately when switching from 7 to 8.
    - lightwords 2y ago
      It's clocking in at 120MB on my machine and launches instantly. I don't get this blind hate for Electron, it has made software runnable on more platform than ever with less development resources.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - Washuu 2y ago
      It takes 10+ seconds to load the 1Password extension window in Firefox after some upgrade this year. They really screwed something up.
      - e40 2y ago
        Loads instantly for me on macOS.
- fourfour3 2y ago
  I agree with this a lot. I miss 1Password Mini in particular still (and no, Quick Access is not a replacement).
- xnyan 2y ago
  I hear this, and I believe people, but it leaves me in a confused state because I don't understand. I (think) I've used them all, and the only password manager that is in the same class or better is bitwarden, which is also web/electron.
  - jen20 2y ago
    Previous versions of 1p are an existence proofs of something better!
klabb3 2y ago
> Tons of new features and the redesign After LastPass lost it I shopped around and avoided 1Password precisely because it looks and is marketed like typical feature-oriented apps powered by VC valuations and growth metrics. I do not like trigger happy product management near critical single-purpose software. It’s already quite challenging, because pw managers need (1) offline support (2) a sync protocol that’s virtually bug free and (3) state of the art crypto/security and (4) wide cross platform support. I prefer such an app to sit basically dormant until there’s a new industry development (like passkeys) to keep up with the times. And even then, those features should only be added thoughtfully with a defensive mindset to ensure stability going forward. So tldr, your stated benefits are in fact the very reason a lot of people don’t like it.
- lghh 2y ago
  I don't understand this sentiment. I'm not attacking, I'm trying to understand. So if there's opportunity for a feature that adds real value for many people to an application without it affecting the core of the product, it shouldn't be added? I can add passwords and unlock websites just as quickly with 1Password as I could 8 years ago. Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference?
  - vintagedave 2y ago
    Because they keep on changing the product at the same time. If they added value and left what worked still working, it'd be great. But they change things, and it's buggy, and the UX is worse, and I just want the nice productive utility I had a few years ago. You say you can do things as fast as you could eight years ago -- but I can _not._ See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644525 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40644525
  - klabb3 2y ago
    It’s based on experience that more features tend to break functionality, change user workflows and changes in product strategy, sometimes even companies get acquired or shut down things. Of course, these things can happen to any product in theory, but with experience I’ve developed a bit of a radar for what kind of company is behind a product based on their design, website, marketing etc. > Why does adding other useful, related features make a difference? Like what? I’ve had the same experience with 2 pw managers for probably a decade, and the only noticeable change has been passkeys. Note that for me it’s personal use only though.

pupppet 2y ago

I dislike the new search so much, just make search work like it does in every other application. If you're reinventing the wheel for something so basic that's the first sign you're doing something very wrong.

ivan_gammel 2y ago

I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best password manager on the market by many measures. What is your experience exactly?

MrDarcy 2y ago
For me, I paid full price for the app. I attached many important documents such as my ID, SSN Card, my original birth cert, even the deed to my house. If I pass my wife knows where to get this info. When my son was born I went to add his birth cert and SSN. I couldn’t. The “attach file” button is still there but it simply doesn’t work any more. After hours of troubleshooting I finally found a discussion on their own support form where they acknowledged they explicitly disabled this feature. The solution is to switch to a paid subscription. I’ll never buy software from them again. That’s just one example. They’ve removed similar functionality from cloud sync services to compel users to buy a subscription.
- maigret 2y ago
  Sad indeed but the days of 0 interest rates are gone. Plus, software engineers in many countries are now massively more expensive.
  - acdha 2y ago
    They have a PR department, don’t give your time bro bono to spin it for them. With as many customers as they have, they’re in no danger of not being able to pay developers.
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Software that's done doesn't need as many software engineers to look after it.
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e40 2y ago

I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(ish). Another data point: my 85 year old mother used to have issues with 7. She'd get confused about things. With 8, it's been clear sailing for her. That's pretty impressive to me.

pasc1878 2y ago
1password 8 on iOS is fine and I note no issues with it, it just works. On macOS 1pw 7 worked with no issues, 1pw 8 doesn't However the big issue is that 1pw8 requires you to use their cloud - so if someone takes over the company and changes things or the company goes bust or even if the company's servers get hit by DDOS you lose all things. 1pw7 allowed you to keep the main db on anything and use multiple sync mechanism. For example you could keep the data all on machines you own, you could be a business and that would matter for security. Yes cloud etc is secure but there are cases where you don't want things to be anywhere not on your machines.

yreg 2y ago

>1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. You can still use the standalone 1Password 6…

AlexandrB 2y ago
A lot of the browser integrations are broken if you run older releases I think. Even 7 doesn't work with Chrome anymore.

gregoriol 2y ago

I still use 1Password 7

AlexandrB 2y ago
Yup. Wish I could go back to 6 because 7 feels noticeable slower, but 8 is a non-starter due to the lack of self-hosting or local vault options. I also hate how a bunch of "babysitting" features are forced on you in later (after 5 or so) 1Password releases. I don't want Watchtower to be pegged to the top of the sidebar - but there it is anyways. I don't want to set a password hint for the master password, but I'm forced to regardless.
- gregoriol 2y ago
  Yeah, Watchtower is horrible, also search is sometimes really bad when you have a lot of different logins for the same domain