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> You people are literally making up things about a country that you don't know about. I’m not from the US. I spent 2 years living in Spain. Are you claiming

> You people are literally making up things about a country that you don't know about. I’m not from the US. I spent 2 years living in Spain. Are you claiming that the average Spanish citizen believes that a typical person should be responsible for freeloaders rather than the government?

zrn900 2y ago
> I’m not from the US. Even if you are not, your philosophy seems to be from there. Works out to the same. > I spent 2 years living in Spain Yeah that should have given you the past, present and future knowledge of all things about Spain. > Are you claiming that the average Spanish citizen believes that a typical person should be responsible for freeloaders rather than the government? Excellent example of how you have been talking about a country without knowing about it. Spaniards dont call them freeloaders. Even using that word means that you are American in mentality even if not geographically. The attitude is that if those people need it and some well-off person ends up with okupas in his second house, no one bats an eye and many even would say 'the bastards deserve it'. And anyone who has an extra house is 'well-off'.
- nerdawson 2y ago
  I'm merely pointing out that you're assuming ignorance simply because I have a different opinion to you. Having lived there myself, I'd like to think I have something of an understanding of the culture. Freeloaders, admittedly a charged word, is how I'd view someone who helps themselves to something I've worked to pay for. How is that any different to a mugger stealing your phone or your wallet? After all, they're likely in a worse financial position than you. If you can afford to replace it, let them have at it. > And anyone who has an extra house is 'well-off'. I don't want to fall into a strawman here but my interpretation is that you're fine with criminals stealing from someone, as long as they're in a better financial position than you are. It's convenient to imagine that the only people falling victim to this are those who can afford to have their property stolen from them.
  - zrn900 2y ago
    > I'm merely pointing out that you're assuming ignorance simply because I have a different opinion to you Yes. You have a different opinion than me and the majority of Spaniards. Despite that you think that you can make statements on behalf of us. There comes the ignorance. > Freeloaders, admittedly a charged word, is how I'd view someone Spaniards don't. > How is that any different to a mugger stealing your phone or your wallet? Not different, and per Spanish law, theft up to a few hundred euros is not a crime either. > It's convenient to imagine that the only people falling victim to this are those who can afford to have their property stolen from them. Its not 'convenient'. Its how this works. Okupa movement stakes out houses, its owners and goes after the well-off. In a lot of cases they get help from within the community, or the occupier is someone from the neighborhood already. That's what 'professional' okupas help with - by helping poor locals occupy empty houses. Surely occasionally an unhinged persona occupies someone's only house. But that's rare. The majority of occupation happens locally through the help of activist okupas. ... Long story short, you have no idea about the culture and society you speak of, despite having lived here for 2 years, and you are still handing out statements and interpretations based on, well, American cultural mentality actually. Spanish culture is different. Its as simple as that. The difference between these two cultures can be seen in how things are in the specific countries. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi... https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret-42-million-are-suffering-from-hunger.html https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret... https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-American-citizens-living-on-US-soil-who-died-because-they-couldnt-afford-healthcare https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-American-citizens-livin... Not that the other countries that imitate the US and the capitalist mentality are any different - even Scandinavian countries started to experience major inequality after adopting 'investment friendly' practices in the last few years. Americans themselves are escaping to other countries, including Spain, to escape the hellhole that it has become and gentrifying the people there in the process. North Europeans are doing it too - which is actually becoming a problem. So that mentality doesn't work. It f*cks up societies. Stop preaching it.
    - nerdawson 2y ago

zrn900 2y ago

> I’m not from the US. Even if you are not, your philosophy seems to be from there. Works out to the same. > I spent 2 years living in Spain Yeah that should have given you the past, present and future knowledge of all things about Spain. > Are you claiming that the average Spanish citizen believes that a typical person should be responsible for freeloaders rather than the government? Excellent example of how you have been talking about a country without knowing about it. Spaniards dont call them freeloaders. Even using that word means that you are American in mentality even if not geographically. The attitude is that if those people need it and some well-off person ends up with okupas in his second house, no one bats an eye and many even would say 'the bastards deserve it'. And anyone who has an extra house is 'well-off'.

nerdawson 2y ago
I'm merely pointing out that you're assuming ignorance simply because I have a different opinion to you. Having lived there myself, I'd like to think I have something of an understanding of the culture. Freeloaders, admittedly a charged word, is how I'd view someone who helps themselves to something I've worked to pay for. How is that any different to a mugger stealing your phone or your wallet? After all, they're likely in a worse financial position than you. If you can afford to replace it, let them have at it. > And anyone who has an extra house is 'well-off'. I don't want to fall into a strawman here but my interpretation is that you're fine with criminals stealing from someone, as long as they're in a better financial position than you are. It's convenient to imagine that the only people falling victim to this are those who can afford to have their property stolen from them.
- zrn900 2y ago
  > I'm merely pointing out that you're assuming ignorance simply because I have a different opinion to you Yes. You have a different opinion than me and the majority of Spaniards. Despite that you think that you can make statements on behalf of us. There comes the ignorance. > Freeloaders, admittedly a charged word, is how I'd view someone Spaniards don't. > How is that any different to a mugger stealing your phone or your wallet? Not different, and per Spanish law, theft up to a few hundred euros is not a crime either. > It's convenient to imagine that the only people falling victim to this are those who can afford to have their property stolen from them. Its not 'convenient'. Its how this works. Okupa movement stakes out houses, its owners and goes after the well-off. In a lot of cases they get help from within the community, or the occupier is someone from the neighborhood already. That's what 'professional' okupas help with - by helping poor locals occupy empty houses. Surely occasionally an unhinged persona occupies someone's only house. But that's rare. The majority of occupation happens locally through the help of activist okupas. ... Long story short, you have no idea about the culture and society you speak of, despite having lived here for 2 years, and you are still handing out statements and interpretations based on, well, American cultural mentality actually. Spanish culture is different. Its as simple as that. The difference between these two cultures can be seen in how things are in the specific countries. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housing-prices/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homes-for-sale-affordable-housi... https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret-42-million-are-suffering-from-hunger.html https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret... https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-American-citizens-living-on-US-soil-who-died-because-they-couldnt-afford-healthcare https://www.quora.com/Were-there-any-American-citizens-livin... Not that the other countries that imitate the US and the capitalist mentality are any different - even Scandinavian countries started to experience major inequality after adopting 'investment friendly' practices in the last few years. Americans themselves are escaping to other countries, including Spain, to escape the hellhole that it has become and gentrifying the people there in the process. North Europeans are doing it too - which is actually becoming a problem. So that mentality doesn't work. It f*cks up societies. Stop preaching it.
  - nerdawson 2y ago