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This conversation is perpetually marred by this sort of flippant response. No one expects MacOS to work on anything but Apple hardware, but they do expect a ran

This conversation is perpetually marred by this sort of flippant response. No one expects MacOS to work on anything but Apple hardware, but they do expect a random chip on the motherboard they've been using for a several years to work. Proposing they google every chip on their motherboard to see if they can run linux is a failure of linux. I would hope that you consider that dismissive replies like this do little to encourage anyone to adopt linux, and instead make the community seem elitist and off putting.

Retric 2y ago
> random chip on the motherboard they've been using for a several years to work. You can easily check if the motherboard has issues, but this idea you should install on random hardware is a mistake. Linux is not MacOS, but the best time to swap is when you get new hardware. Run into issues and the old Desktop/Laptop still works and there is no need to stress.
- bishbosh 2y ago
  >this idea you should install on random hardware is a mistake. Why, it works on windows? And it's not 'random hardware' its the hardware they have and use. You should realize this is a failure of linux, not of the user.
  - Retric 2y ago
    > it works on windows So? Linux is not Windows. It’s the advice that’s a problem not the user or Linux.
    - deleted 2y ago
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  - erremerre 2y ago
    Then when you say, that Linux is not yet prepared for desktop, they will mention that they have been using linux for years and it is ready.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Chromebooks have worked for the general public for years. Which suggests the question is isn’t if it’s ready but if you’re going to be happy with it.
- erremerre 2y ago
  I completely agree with bishbosh. However, can I know what is that easy way to check if every single chip of a motherboard will be compatible with linux? I am honestly asking, because I have not found anything to check hardware. the same way, if I want to make a computer formed with parts from a store, (not a prebuilt) how can I check all pieces to make sure that it will be compatible? Thank you.
  - Retric 2y ago
    I haven’t used it in a while but: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search
    - erremerre 2y ago
      I went there, and put the motherboard that has problems with that chipset. It is an intel dq77mk. I tried with Fedora and had issues. I have check on the webpage and it says that it works. Everything on green. Whilst it is true that I did not check compatibility of my system. If I had, and would have bought that motherboard based on the website, I would still have the same problem. Linux is not yet ready. the attitude of the community to say, it is the user problem, does not help to get it ready either.
      - Retric 2y ago
        Intel dq77mk is the chipset not a specific motherboard. Some motherboards with that chipset do work, but you need more information to validate what works and what doesn’t Seriously just buy a Chromebook.
        erremerre 2y ago
        No, it is a motherboard made by Intel, at least the one I got: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/612/intel%20corporation_desktop-board-dq77mk-executive-b-1215874.pdf https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/612/intel%20corporation_d... And by the way, I just realised that my motherboard is certified to run on Windows 7, Redhat linux and Suse (Page 2 of the manual). And I did have problems with the audio on Fedora 39 using that motherboard. The point is not that the user needs to keep purchasing hardware (a chromebook) until something it works, the point is that linux is doing a terrible job at working on hardware that people have, and that it is Linux certified!

Retric 2y ago

> random chip on the motherboard they've been using for a several years to work. You can easily check if the motherboard has issues, but this idea you should install on random hardware is a mistake. Linux is not MacOS, but the best time to swap is when you get new hardware. Run into issues and the old Desktop/Laptop still works and there is no need to stress.

bishbosh 2y ago
>this idea you should install on random hardware is a mistake. Why, it works on windows? And it's not 'random hardware' its the hardware they have and use. You should realize this is a failure of linux, not of the user.
- Retric 2y ago
  > it works on windows So? Linux is not Windows. It’s the advice that’s a problem not the user or Linux.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- erremerre 2y ago
  Then when you say, that Linux is not yet prepared for desktop, they will mention that they have been using linux for years and it is ready.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Chromebooks have worked for the general public for years. Which suggests the question is isn’t if it’s ready but if you’re going to be happy with it.
erremerre 2y ago
I completely agree with bishbosh. However, can I know what is that easy way to check if every single chip of a motherboard will be compatible with linux? I am honestly asking, because I have not found anything to check hardware. the same way, if I want to make a computer formed with parts from a store, (not a prebuilt) how can I check all pieces to make sure that it will be compatible? Thank you.
- Retric 2y ago
  I haven’t used it in a while but: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search https://linux-hardware.org/?view=search
  - erremerre 2y ago
    I went there, and put the motherboard that has problems with that chipset. It is an intel dq77mk. I tried with Fedora and had issues. I have check on the webpage and it says that it works. Everything on green. Whilst it is true that I did not check compatibility of my system. If I had, and would have bought that motherboard based on the website, I would still have the same problem. Linux is not yet ready. the attitude of the community to say, it is the user problem, does not help to get it ready either.
    - Retric 2y ago
      Intel dq77mk is the chipset not a specific motherboard. Some motherboards with that chipset do work, but you need more information to validate what works and what doesn’t Seriously just buy a Chromebook.
      - erremerre 2y ago
        No, it is a motherboard made by Intel, at least the one I got: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/612/intel%20corporation_desktop-board-dq77mk-executive-b-1215874.pdf https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/612/intel%20corporation_d... And by the way, I just realised that my motherboard is certified to run on Windows 7, Redhat linux and Suse (Page 2 of the manual). And I did have problems with the audio on Fedora 39 using that motherboard. The point is not that the user needs to keep purchasing hardware (a chromebook) until something it works, the point is that linux is doing a terrible job at working on hardware that people have, and that it is Linux certified!