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I highly recommend listening to Alan Watts speak on this topic; his lecture "We as Organism" is quite compelling, if non-scientific https://www.youtube.com/wat

I highly recommend listening to Alan Watts speak on this topic; his lecture "We as Organism" is quite compelling, if non-scientific https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMGbjvBXSE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpMGbjvBXSE

nico 2y ago
Thank you. Not familiar with this lecture, but I love how eloquent Alan Watts was And it’s also great that he credits a lot of his insights to ancient Asian cultures. Essentially explaining that naturally, humans rediscover the nature of the universe, without the need for any special or modern technology, but rather through direct experience of the world
- kfrzcode 2y ago
  There are many hours of his talks that range from silly to esoteric to outright transcendent, poetry-like explorations and observations of the human condition Highly prescient as well.
  - fuzzfactor 2y ago
    >Highly prescient as well. This was already widely recognized as each talk was originally being given. Kind of stream-of-consciousness if you think about it. Or if your head's a blank.
lodovic 2y ago
Having to listen to a 53 minute monologue is too much, especially with the expectation that I won't agree as the podcast is subjective and non-scientific. Could you perhaps provide at least a recap when referring to someone else?
- kfrzcode 2y ago
  Honestly, I could not. But I can refer you to a perplexity recap. I know LLM content is not allowed, so I'll quote it as a source: Alan Watts, in his lecture "We as Organism," eloquently explores the interconnectedness of life and consciousness. He likens living beings to the flame of a candle, a continuous flow of energy and activity, rather than static entities. Watts argues that our consciousness often overlooks the constant, harmonious processes of life, focusing instead on potential disruptions. This myopic view leads us to identify with our ego, the troubleshooter, rather than our complete organism. He emphasizes that our bodies, like candle flames or whirlpools, are patterns of the cosmos, ever-changing yet recognizable. Watts challenges the common Western notion of life as a brief flash between two darknesses, urging us to see life as a complex, continuous dance, where there is no dancer, only the dancing.
  - munksbeer 2y ago
    What the...
    - blueprint 2y ago
      he was an alcoholic who popularized words he didn't understand - he took the above from the diamond scripture, clearly and Watts doesn't say much in answer my question - but rather guided people towards self-loss (after which he didn't have to worry about answering questions) What does it mean for something to "happen"? it goes back to the reason why the OP article suggests state evolution by time emerges from entanglement.
    - blueprint 2y ago
      > People who don’t see their nature and try to stop their thinkings all the time are great sinful poeple and fools. They will fall into the Memoryless-Emptiness. They’re like drunks. They cannot tell good from evil. If you intend to practice non-doing, you have to see your nature before you can put an end to all states and conditions. To attain the Buddha’s Way without seeing your nature is impossible. Still others commit all sorts of evil deeds, claiming karma doesn’t exist. They erroneously maintain that since everything is empty committing evil isn’t wrong. Such persons fall into a hell of endless darkness with no hope of release. http://www.buddhism.org/bodhi-dharmas-bloodstream-sermon/ http://www.buddhism.org/bodhi-dharmas-bloodstream-sermon/ who Zen now calls the first patriarch, but who was kicked out by many people while he was alive. perhaps we shouldn't be so arrogant to think we're somehow immune now? but it's natural for people not to know how much more profound enlightenment is when they haven't encountered the real dharma yet. One of the problems with following teachings that aren't right is the risk of losing oneself. It's a fact that many people spoke words under the name of Buddha, like Watts. So how on earth can we pretend that he has not introduced any % of falsehood to the right teaching while he passes it down? The alternative is that Watts is pretending to supreme enlightenment, which I have not heard of him having done. My question as to what it means for things to happen pertains specifically to the original article talking about the meaning of "time". Instead what we've got is absolute ambiguity that amounts to "don't worry about it, just chill". That sounds like self-loss to me. Self-loss starts with loss of consciousness. That can happen when people learn the degenerated truth (it's like a rotten apple for a consciousness, shall we say).
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  From the YT comments: @emmaluciaev1938 8 months ago What ???? This is pure quantum physics He is a true genius And he is also funny, a rare alignment of the stars 22 Reply @Agent_Paul 6 months ago Sophisticated man, but he played it cool. A mystic but never announced himself 2 Reply

nico 2y ago

Thank you. Not familiar with this lecture, but I love how eloquent Alan Watts was And it’s also great that he credits a lot of his insights to ancient Asian cultures. Essentially explaining that naturally, humans rediscover the nature of the universe, without the need for any special or modern technology, but rather through direct experience of the world

kfrzcode 2y ago
There are many hours of his talks that range from silly to esoteric to outright transcendent, poetry-like explorations and observations of the human condition Highly prescient as well.
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  >Highly prescient as well. This was already widely recognized as each talk was originally being given. Kind of stream-of-consciousness if you think about it. Or if your head's a blank.

lodovic 2y ago

Having to listen to a 53 minute monologue is too much, especially with the expectation that I won't agree as the podcast is subjective and non-scientific. Could you perhaps provide at least a recap when referring to someone else?

kfrzcode 2y ago
Honestly, I could not. But I can refer you to a perplexity recap. I know LLM content is not allowed, so I'll quote it as a source: Alan Watts, in his lecture "We as Organism," eloquently explores the interconnectedness of life and consciousness. He likens living beings to the flame of a candle, a continuous flow of energy and activity, rather than static entities. Watts argues that our consciousness often overlooks the constant, harmonious processes of life, focusing instead on potential disruptions. This myopic view leads us to identify with our ego, the troubleshooter, rather than our complete organism. He emphasizes that our bodies, like candle flames or whirlpools, are patterns of the cosmos, ever-changing yet recognizable. Watts challenges the common Western notion of life as a brief flash between two darknesses, urging us to see life as a complex, continuous dance, where there is no dancer, only the dancing.
- munksbeer 2y ago
  What the...
  - blueprint 2y ago
    he was an alcoholic who popularized words he didn't understand - he took the above from the diamond scripture, clearly and Watts doesn't say much in answer my question - but rather guided people towards self-loss (after which he didn't have to worry about answering questions) What does it mean for something to "happen"? it goes back to the reason why the OP article suggests state evolution by time emerges from entanglement.
  - blueprint 2y ago
    > People who don’t see their nature and try to stop their thinkings all the time are great sinful poeple and fools. They will fall into the Memoryless-Emptiness. They’re like drunks. They cannot tell good from evil. If you intend to practice non-doing, you have to see your nature before you can put an end to all states and conditions. To attain the Buddha’s Way without seeing your nature is impossible. Still others commit all sorts of evil deeds, claiming karma doesn’t exist. They erroneously maintain that since everything is empty committing evil isn’t wrong. Such persons fall into a hell of endless darkness with no hope of release. http://www.buddhism.org/bodhi-dharmas-bloodstream-sermon/ http://www.buddhism.org/bodhi-dharmas-bloodstream-sermon/ who Zen now calls the first patriarch, but who was kicked out by many people while he was alive. perhaps we shouldn't be so arrogant to think we're somehow immune now? but it's natural for people not to know how much more profound enlightenment is when they haven't encountered the real dharma yet. One of the problems with following teachings that aren't right is the risk of losing oneself. It's a fact that many people spoke words under the name of Buddha, like Watts. So how on earth can we pretend that he has not introduced any % of falsehood to the right teaching while he passes it down? The alternative is that Watts is pretending to supreme enlightenment, which I have not heard of him having done. My question as to what it means for things to happen pertains specifically to the original article talking about the meaning of "time". Instead what we've got is absolute ambiguity that amounts to "don't worry about it, just chill". That sounds like self-loss to me. Self-loss starts with loss of consciousness. That can happen when people learn the degenerated truth (it's like a rotten apple for a consciousness, shall we say).
fuzzfactor 2y ago
From the YT comments: @emmaluciaev1938 8 months ago What ???? This is pure quantum physics He is a true genius And he is also funny, a rare alignment of the stars 22 Reply @Agent_Paul 6 months ago Sophisticated man, but he played it cool. A mystic but never announced himself 2 Reply