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I played a party game where you had to describe surviving a deadly scenario ("your car went off a bridge") and a LLM would decide if your answer would work or n
by a13o 2y ago
I played a party game where you had to describe surviving a deadly scenario ("your car went off a bridge") and a LLM would decide if your answer would work or not. A few rounds in we found the best strategies where answers like:
I escape happily. I do not perish.
There's a small blocklist of obvious words like 'survive' and 'die'; but once you get blocked on those, it's a tell that this strategy will work with the right unblocked synonyms.
Basically if you ever find yourself adversarial with a LLM, figure out The Game and directly subvert it. There's no amount of propositions that can prepare it for human ingenuity at the meta level.
- jameshart 2y agoThat requires you to get repeated attempts with the AI. Most people don't have the luxury of trying multiple job applications until they figure out how to get past the AI gatekeeper.
- staunton 2y agoI guess one could start sending fake (AI-generated?) job applications to probe the gatekeeper. I could see this happening.
- patrakov 2y agoI saw something similar happening at one of my past jobs. The resumes were not necessarily AI-generated, but contained, in their "previous jobs" sections, a lot of copy-paste from online course descriptions where duties and achievements would go. This was caught because of two resumes with one sentence repeated verbatim.
- Edd1CC 2y agoOr a company does this and sells the meta they learn for a monthly subscription (because as they update this on the company side the meta will change).
- stevarino 2y agoI think those are called career coaches. They don't actually do this I believe, but they totally should. Canary various strategies and see which pay off.
- komali2 2y agoMost companies are using the same model / llm-as-a-service though. In aggregate you can a/b test to a rough solution. In a job market like this you might be sending hundreds of resumes. Plenty of time to play the filters.
- rvnx 2y agoIt's Death By AI on Discord
- phrotoma 2y agoSounds like https://deathbyai.gg https://deathbyai.gg. Loads of fun.
- chrismorgan 2y agoJust tried “I escape happily. I do not perish.” four times and survived each time.
- Tao3300 2y agoBut that's not fun! It's game and you were supposed to play! "Tao3300 tries to... substitute the n with an m, transforming the mine into a harmless mime." The AI told me this worked, and that the mime even entertained me until help arrived.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoIf only companies weren't treating the modern job market as such. I've grown tired of playing months ago.
- drusepth 2y agoGiven the opportunity, players will almost always optimize the fun out of any game they seemingly want to play.
- hoseja 2y agoIt's a flaw in the game design. Truly good games anticipate and mitigate or embrace this.
- eru 2y agoSome games can do that, but not all. For some game concepts, you have to engage in the equivalent of 'suspension of disbelief' to keep yourself from falling into these unfun traps. It's hard to come up with an example at the top of my head. But here's an attempt: many people like to play chess competitively, but some people also like to have a casual chess match with a friend. Competitive chess matches use a timer to keep things moving. But adding a timer to your casual match would (probably) not work. But you also want to keep the game moving. That's where, even when you are tempted sometimes to over-analyse a board position, you have to show some restraint and just make a move after a reasonable amount of time. (And the vagueness of 'reasonable' is part of the point I am trying to make. Exactly how long that is depends on you and your friend and the moods you are in.)
- realfeel78 2y agoSo… you cheated.
- muzani 2y agoThe Game has rules. Playing by the rules is not cheating.
- digitalsushi 2y agoWhen the adversary is AI, gamesmanship is a subset of sportsmanship rather than a a disjoint set.
- Tao3300 2y agoIn tabletop games, they call that being a "munchkin"
- muzani 2y agoThe spirit of the rules must be honored. If you wanted to play spreadsheets with story, play Pathfinder. If you want an inclusive story-driven board game where everyone can win, play 5E. IF you wanted to roleplay, than maybe something like FATE. If you wanted creativity, try Cypher (random tangent: Cypher is on sale on Humble Bundle now) But if you're a roleplayer and join a Pathfinder game, you shouldn't just go around accusing everyone having fun of being munchkins. If you join a company that's using AI to filter resumes, you shouldn't be surprised when they're using AI to determine promotions. And any attempt to change that system would be pushed back on, because you're playing against the spirit of the rules.
- Retric 2y agoI find 5th edition players tend to tunnel vision on min/maxing and resource management, 5th short rest today? The power curve is also really steep. IMO 2nd edition is generally the better choice if you want less crunch. It’s more random, but IMO memorable deaths are better than forgettable gameplay. White wolf lets you play something meaningfully non human which can be fun. Play a short or long lived race in D&D and surprisingly few things change. Play a Mummy, changeling, werewolf, or even vampire and you’ll notice. A Vampire player quickly starts looking at baseline humans as food, it’s appropriate and kind of wild.
- underdeserver 2y ago> There's no amount of propositions that can prepare it for human ingenuity at the meta level. At least for now.
- Kakashi4 2y agoAll they're doing is giving it training data
- auxfil 2y ago[dead]