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And when you're ready to take the fun to the web, look no further than Biff: https://biffweb.com https://biffweb.com

packetlost 2y ago
I recently went through most of the Biff tutorial but found it seemed to be missing some parts later on that had me scratching my head. It was otherwise a very enjoyable experience and Biff seems like a great way to get a "batteries included" starting point for web (similar to something like Rails or Django, though maybe not as comprehensive as either of those).
- jacobobryant 2y ago
  Mind sharing the parts of the tutorial you had trouble with, if you remember?
  - packetlost 2y ago
    I'll see if I can go back and figure out where I lost track of things. I believe it was right around when making the message entry box functional. I ended up having to dig into the repo to see what I was missing.
    - jacobobryant 2y ago
      Good to know--I'll do another run through the tutorial sometime and see if I notice anything. I know there are a couple things I need to update in the example repo at least.
zarathustreal 2y ago
I love this so much. The power of being able to connect a repl to your production instance and fix bugs instantly is hard to understate. It’s actually kind of hard to explain to devs used to deployment cycles measured in weeks
- fire_lake 2y ago
  How is the fix committed once you are done? Does this run counter to immutable deployments?
  - zarathustreal 2y ago
    Do not try to "commit" or "immutably deploy" lisp data/code. That's impossible. Instead.. Only try to realize the truth. There is no "commit" / "deploy".
hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago
Ah neat. But darn, I was kinda hoping for supporting tools and packages with names like tannen, delorean, doc, mcfly, and strickland ;)
- neilyio 2y ago
  It features a time-travel database, if that helps! https://biffweb.com/p/xtdb-compared-to-other-databases/ https://biffweb.com/p/xtdb-compared-to-other-databases/
  - ungamedplayer 2y ago
    I don't know if op had chance to evaluate because they were outatime.

I recently went through most of the Biff tutorial but found it seemed to be missing some parts later on that had me scratching my head. It was otherwise a very enjoyable experience and Biff seems like a great way to get a "batteries included" starting point for web (similar to something like Rails or Django, though maybe not as comprehensive as either of those).

jacobobryant 2y ago
Mind sharing the parts of the tutorial you had trouble with, if you remember?
- packetlost 2y ago
  I'll see if I can go back and figure out where I lost track of things. I believe it was right around when making the message entry box functional. I ended up having to dig into the repo to see what I was missing.
  - jacobobryant 2y ago
    Good to know--I'll do another run through the tutorial sometime and see if I notice anything. I know there are a couple things I need to update in the example repo at least.

zarathustreal 2y ago

I love this so much. The power of being able to connect a repl to your production instance and fix bugs instantly is hard to understate. It’s actually kind of hard to explain to devs used to deployment cycles measured in weeks

fire_lake 2y ago
How is the fix committed once you are done? Does this run counter to immutable deployments?
- zarathustreal 2y ago
  Do not try to "commit" or "immutably deploy" lisp data/code. That's impossible. Instead.. Only try to realize the truth. There is no "commit" / "deploy".

hi-v-rocknroll 2y ago

Ah neat. But darn, I was kinda hoping for supporting tools and packages with names like tannen, delorean, doc, mcfly, and strickland ;)

neilyio 2y ago
It features a time-travel database, if that helps! https://biffweb.com/p/xtdb-compared-to-other-databases/ https://biffweb.com/p/xtdb-compared-to-other-databases/
- ungamedplayer 2y ago
  I don't know if op had chance to evaluate because they were outatime.