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I regularly find myself on the internet archive hoping to find a working copy of a page created ten-plus years ago. Page rot, SEO spam, walled gardens, and AI g

by jron 2y ago

I regularly find myself on the internet archive hoping to find a working copy of a page created ten-plus years ago. Page rot, SEO spam, walled gardens, and AI generated nonsense are all converging to suck the value out of the WWW. Projects like this give me a little hope that blogging can make a comeback. NIP-13 [1] also has the ability to use POW to limit bot activity. Thanks for sharing! [1] https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/13.md https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/13.md

troupo 2y ago
> Projects like this give me a little hope that blogging can make a comeback. From nostr site: "If all the relays that you have used in the past go offline, all your posts will be unretrievable." https://nostr.com/relays https://nostr.com/relays Nostr doesn't solve the archival problem
- jron 2y ago
  Unlike web scraping where spaghetti logic is required to follow abstracted JS links, archival of nostr events can be as simple as running a relay and mirroring blog content.[1][2] nostr does a lot of what NNTP did but with additional flexibility. [1] https://logperiodic.com/rbsr.html#nostr https://logperiodic.com/rbsr.html#nostr [2] https://github.com/hoytech/strfry/blob/master/docs/negentropy.md https://github.com/hoytech/strfry/blob/master/docs/negentrop...
  - troupo 2y ago
    For that you will need to connect to all relays in existence, right?
    - jron 2y ago
      Users currently tend to push events to massive relays but decentralization is still a goal: https://raw.githack.com/dtonon/oracolo/master/examples/fiatjaf.html#1e950a50c95d11266258912d91ce116380e48b18f3c2c39ec60a42d66cdc3427 https://raw.githack.com/dtonon/oracolo/master/examples/fiatj... https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md Still, the short answer to your question would be "yes."
    - dtonon 2y ago
      Not necessarily, the gossip/outbox model (NIP-65) tells clients which relays they should check: https://mikedilger.com/gossip-model/ https://mikedilger.com/gossip-model/ It is of course possible to combine this approach with undifferentiated access to well known relays, to fetch content from not followed people.
- dtonon 2y ago
  You should take it upon yourself to save your data, if it is really important to you, so that if all your relays fail, you can simply rebroadcast all your events to a new one and you will be fine. It's a problem solved in a collaborative and decentralized way.
  - troupo 2y ago
    > You should take it upon yourself > It's a problem solved If I have to take it upon myself, then it's not solved.

by jron 2y ago

troupo 2y ago

> Projects like this give me a little hope that blogging can make a comeback. From nostr site: "If all the relays that you have used in the past go offline, all your posts will be unretrievable." https://nostr.com/relays https://nostr.com/relays Nostr doesn't solve the archival problem

jron 2y ago
Unlike web scraping where spaghetti logic is required to follow abstracted JS links, archival of nostr events can be as simple as running a relay and mirroring blog content.[1][2] nostr does a lot of what NNTP did but with additional flexibility. [1] https://logperiodic.com/rbsr.html#nostr https://logperiodic.com/rbsr.html#nostr [2] https://github.com/hoytech/strfry/blob/master/docs/negentropy.md https://github.com/hoytech/strfry/blob/master/docs/negentrop...
- troupo 2y ago
  For that you will need to connect to all relays in existence, right?
  - jron 2y ago
    Users currently tend to push events to massive relays but decentralization is still a goal: https://raw.githack.com/dtonon/oracolo/master/examples/fiatjaf.html#1e950a50c95d11266258912d91ce116380e48b18f3c2c39ec60a42d66cdc3427 https://raw.githack.com/dtonon/oracolo/master/examples/fiatj... https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/65.md Still, the short answer to your question would be "yes."
  - dtonon 2y ago
    Not necessarily, the gossip/outbox model (NIP-65) tells clients which relays they should check: https://mikedilger.com/gossip-model/ https://mikedilger.com/gossip-model/ It is of course possible to combine this approach with undifferentiated access to well known relays, to fetch content from not followed people.
dtonon 2y ago
You should take it upon yourself to save your data, if it is really important to you, so that if all your relays fail, you can simply rebroadcast all your events to a new one and you will be fine. It's a problem solved in a collaborative and decentralized way.
- troupo 2y ago
  > You should take it upon yourself > It's a problem solved If I have to take it upon myself, then it's not solved.