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Human creativity turns into a point on that curve. One mission of art is to find a different dimension, out of the curves reach, until eventually it becomes mor

Human creativity turns into a point on that curve. One mission of art is to find a different dimension, out of the curves reach, until eventually it becomes more common and the curve can be fitted to it again. AI cannot think outside of the box because it cannot think at all, there is no meaning behind what it does.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
>Human creativity turns into a point on that curve. All human creativity are points ON the SAME Curve. It doesn't matter what turns what into what into some point on the curve or finding a different "dimension" If you come up with an algorithm that can traverse that curve you've found the algorithm for human creativity. We are close, deadly close, to the end. Especially given the fact that these AI algorithms literally treat the problem as a best fit curve from a mathematical perspective. Like the analogy I made is not even really an analogy, it's the reality of how these algorithms actually work.
- mistermann 2y ago
  "We're at the tippity top of the mountain, but we're only halfway up".
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    We're at the foot of the mountain. We only just started.
    - mistermann 2y ago
      Surveys of humans strongly demonstrate that they are rather impressed with their mountain climbing accomplishments thus far. The main shortcoming to humanity is only the actions of those other people.
- astrange 2y ago
  > All human creativity are points ON the SAME Curve. That's what they said about mathematical proofs. > If you come up with an algorithm that can traverse that curve you've found the algorithm for human creativity. And that's what they said about programs that take finite time to prove whether or not other programs halt. Neither of those turned out to be true though. (In particular, because the curve you're talking about is infinitely large and so you cannot compute on it in finite time.) Also, real world things cannot be reduced to their bit descriptions because they have metadata even if their descriptions are identical: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    >And that's what they said about programs that take finite time to prove whether or not other programs halt. An actualization of human creativity exists. Your brain. The existence of your brain as a physical thing indicates that human creativity can be actualized. It’s literal proof via existence. It’s the complete opposite of what you describe. We have proof that it is 100 percent possible.
    - astrange 2y ago
      Turing completeness arguments don't apply to brains because we have infinite storage space ;) (it's in the environment around us and other people's brains.) Obviously you can construct something with human level creativity, it just takes two people and nine months.

ninetyninenine 2y ago

>Human creativity turns into a point on that curve. All human creativity are points ON the SAME Curve. It doesn't matter what turns what into what into some point on the curve or finding a different "dimension" If you come up with an algorithm that can traverse that curve you've found the algorithm for human creativity. We are close, deadly close, to the end. Especially given the fact that these AI algorithms literally treat the problem as a best fit curve from a mathematical perspective. Like the analogy I made is not even really an analogy, it's the reality of how these algorithms actually work.

mistermann 2y ago
"We're at the tippity top of the mountain, but we're only halfway up".
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  We're at the foot of the mountain. We only just started.
  - mistermann 2y ago
    Surveys of humans strongly demonstrate that they are rather impressed with their mountain climbing accomplishments thus far. The main shortcoming to humanity is only the actions of those other people.
astrange 2y ago
> All human creativity are points ON the SAME Curve. That's what they said about mathematical proofs. > If you come up with an algorithm that can traverse that curve you've found the algorithm for human creativity. And that's what they said about programs that take finite time to prove whether or not other programs halt. Neither of those turned out to be true though. (In particular, because the curve you're talking about is infinitely large and so you cannot compute on it in finite time.) Also, real world things cannot be reduced to their bit descriptions because they have metadata even if their descriptions are identical: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  >And that's what they said about programs that take finite time to prove whether or not other programs halt. An actualization of human creativity exists. Your brain. The existence of your brain as a physical thing indicates that human creativity can be actualized. It’s literal proof via existence. It’s the complete opposite of what you describe. We have proof that it is 100 percent possible.
  - astrange 2y ago
    Turing completeness arguments don't apply to brains because we have infinite storage space ;) (it's in the environment around us and other people's brains.) Obviously you can construct something with human level creativity, it just takes two people and nine months.