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What in me is dark Illumine, what is low raise and support; That to the highth of this great Argument I may assert th’ Eternal Providence, And justifie the

What in me is dark Illumine, what is low raise and support; That to the highth of this great Argument I may assert th’ Eternal Providence, And justifie the wayes of God to men.

ksenzee 2y ago
...malt does more than Milton can / To justify God’s ways to man. —Housman
- bryanrasmussen 2y ago
  clever, but I don't think it's true. Otherwise people when they get drunk wouldn't start to get argumentative and dissatisfied with life. Perhaps it's more a normal distribution, at the beginning with a light buzz the ways of God seem to be more OK, at its height in the middle everything God ever did is GREAT, and then the fall and the eventual conclusion that everything is unjust and then vomiting.
  - konart 2y ago
    > get drunk > dissatisfied with life. That just means they were dissatisfied with life before drinking. Just were holding it inside.
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      sure, they were dissatisfied with life, and malt did not work to justify god's ways to them, at best it helped them express their dissatisfaction.
      - echelon_musk 2y ago
        My favourable interpretation is that seeing the dissatisfaction that comes from drinking indicates that it is out of line with God's will. Whether those drinking realise this is another matter. I suspect there are more people who have tried alcohol and no longer drink than have read Milton. Perhaps we need some data on that!
      - konart 2y ago
        >at best it helped them express their dissatisfaction. Which is good. All roads start with a single step and to make this step you have to realize where are you now. And expressing this dissatisfaction verbally can be a very goods first step as long as you are not just drinking it away. Not trying to say that this is as good as therapy or something and alcohol my lead to some bad results but still.
- highcountess 2y ago
  Addicts are easiest spotted by their rationalization

What in me is dark Illumine, what is low raise and support; That to the highth of this great Argument I may assert th’ Eternal Providence, And justifie the wayes of God to men.

ksenzee 2y ago

...malt does more than Milton can / To justify God’s ways to man. —Housman

bryanrasmussen 2y ago
clever, but I don't think it's true. Otherwise people when they get drunk wouldn't start to get argumentative and dissatisfied with life. Perhaps it's more a normal distribution, at the beginning with a light buzz the ways of God seem to be more OK, at its height in the middle everything God ever did is GREAT, and then the fall and the eventual conclusion that everything is unjust and then vomiting.
- konart 2y ago
  > get drunk > dissatisfied with life. That just means they were dissatisfied with life before drinking. Just were holding it inside.
  - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
    sure, they were dissatisfied with life, and malt did not work to justify god's ways to them, at best it helped them express their dissatisfaction.
    - echelon_musk 2y ago
      My favourable interpretation is that seeing the dissatisfaction that comes from drinking indicates that it is out of line with God's will. Whether those drinking realise this is another matter. I suspect there are more people who have tried alcohol and no longer drink than have read Milton. Perhaps we need some data on that!
    - konart 2y ago
      >at best it helped them express their dissatisfaction. Which is good. All roads start with a single step and to make this step you have to realize where are you now. And expressing this dissatisfaction verbally can be a very goods first step as long as you are not just drinking it away. Not trying to say that this is as good as therapy or something and alcohol my lead to some bad results but still.
highcountess 2y ago
Addicts are easiest spotted by their rationalization