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But that's not the point of this update

fvdessen 2y ago
I know, and I know my comment is dismissive of the incredible work shown here, as we’re shown sci-fi level tech. But I feel I have this kettle, that boils water in 10min, and it really should boil it in 1, but instead is now voice operated. I hope the next version delivers on being smarter, as this update instead of making me excited, makes me feel they’ve reached a plateau on the improvement of the core value and are distracting us with fluff instead
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  Sure, but "not enough, I want moar" is a trivial demand. So trivial that it goes unsaid.
  - bennyhill 2y ago
    It's equivalent to "nothing to see here" which is exactly the TLDR I was looking for.
- shepherdjerred 2y ago
  Everything is amazing & Nobody is happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U
  - 0xB31B1B 2y ago
    gpt4 isn't quite "amazing" in terms of commercial use. Gpt4 is often good, and also often mediocre or bad. Its not going to change the world, it needs to get better.
    - Spivak 2y ago
      It's an impressive demo, it's not (yet) an impressive product. It seems like the people who are ohhing and ahhing at the former and the people who are frustrated that this kind of this is unbelivably impractical to productize will be doomed to talk past one another forever. The text generation models, image generation models, speech-to-text and text-to-speech have reached impressive product stages. Multi-model hasn't got there because no one is really sure what to actually do with the thing outside of make cool demos.
      - 0xB31B1B 2y ago
        Multi modal isn't there because "this is an image of a green plant" is viable in a demo, but its not commercially viable. "This is an image of a monstera deliciosa" is commercially viable, but not yet demoable. The models need to improve to be usable.
    - dvaun 2y ago
      Near real-time voice feedback isn't amazing? Has the bar risen this high? I already know an application for this, and AFAIK it's being explored in the SaaS space: guided learning experiences and tutoring for individuals. My kids, for instance, love to hammer Alexa with random questions. They would spend a huge amount of time using a better interface, esp. with quick feedback, that provided even deeper insight and responses to them. Taking this and tuning it to specific audiences would make it a great tool for learning.
      - 0xB31B1B 2y ago
        "My kids, for instance, love to hammer Alexa with random questions. They would spend a huge amount of time using a better interface, esp. with quick feedback, that provided even deeper insight and responses to them." Great, using GPT-4 the kids will be getting a lot of hallucinated facts returned to them. There are good use cases for tranformer currently but they're not at the "impact company earnings or country GDP" stage currently, which is the promise that the whole industry has raised/spent 100+B dollars on. Facebook alone is spending 40B on AI. I believe in the AI future, but the only thing that matters for now is that the models improve.
        practice9 2y ago
        I always double-check even the most obscure facts returned by GPT-4 and have yet to see a hallucination (as opposed to Claude Opus that sometimes made up historical facts). I doubt stuff interesting to kids would be so out of the data distribution to return a fake answer. Compared to YouTube and Google SEO trash, or Google Home / Alexa (which do search + wiki retrieval), at the moment GPT-4 and Claude are unironically safer for kids: no algorithmic manipulation, no ads, no affiliated trash blogs, and so on. Bonus is that it can explain on the level of complexity the child will understand for their age
        htrp 2y ago
        Yet.... https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.05905 https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.05905
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- razodactyl 2y ago
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- throwthrowuknow 2y ago
  Watch the last few minutes of that linked video, Mira strongly hints that there’s another update coming for paid users and seems to make clear that GPT4o is moreso for free tier users (even though it is obviously a huge improvement in many features for everyone).
- deleted 2y ago
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I know, and I know my comment is dismissive of the incredible work shown here, as we’re shown sci-fi level tech. But I feel I have this kettle, that boils water in 10min, and it really should boil it in 1, but instead is now voice operated. I hope the next version delivers on being smarter, as this update instead of making me excited, makes me feel they’ve reached a plateau on the improvement of the core value and are distracting us with fluff instead

hombre_fatal 2y ago
Sure, but "not enough, I want moar" is a trivial demand. So trivial that it goes unsaid.
- bennyhill 2y ago
  It's equivalent to "nothing to see here" which is exactly the TLDR I was looking for.
shepherdjerred 2y ago
Everything is amazing & Nobody is happy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdFB7q89_3U
- 0xB31B1B 2y ago
  gpt4 isn't quite "amazing" in terms of commercial use. Gpt4 is often good, and also often mediocre or bad. Its not going to change the world, it needs to get better.
  - Spivak 2y ago
    It's an impressive demo, it's not (yet) an impressive product. It seems like the people who are ohhing and ahhing at the former and the people who are frustrated that this kind of this is unbelivably impractical to productize will be doomed to talk past one another forever. The text generation models, image generation models, speech-to-text and text-to-speech have reached impressive product stages. Multi-model hasn't got there because no one is really sure what to actually do with the thing outside of make cool demos.
    - 0xB31B1B 2y ago
      Multi modal isn't there because "this is an image of a green plant" is viable in a demo, but its not commercially viable. "This is an image of a monstera deliciosa" is commercially viable, but not yet demoable. The models need to improve to be usable.
  - dvaun 2y ago
    Near real-time voice feedback isn't amazing? Has the bar risen this high? I already know an application for this, and AFAIK it's being explored in the SaaS space: guided learning experiences and tutoring for individuals. My kids, for instance, love to hammer Alexa with random questions. They would spend a huge amount of time using a better interface, esp. with quick feedback, that provided even deeper insight and responses to them. Taking this and tuning it to specific audiences would make it a great tool for learning.
    - 0xB31B1B 2y ago
      "My kids, for instance, love to hammer Alexa with random questions. They would spend a huge amount of time using a better interface, esp. with quick feedback, that provided even deeper insight and responses to them." Great, using GPT-4 the kids will be getting a lot of hallucinated facts returned to them. There are good use cases for tranformer currently but they're not at the "impact company earnings or country GDP" stage currently, which is the promise that the whole industry has raised/spent 100+B dollars on. Facebook alone is spending 40B on AI. I believe in the AI future, but the only thing that matters for now is that the models improve.
      - practice9 2y ago
        I always double-check even the most obscure facts returned by GPT-4 and have yet to see a hallucination (as opposed to Claude Opus that sometimes made up historical facts). I doubt stuff interesting to kids would be so out of the data distribution to return a fake answer. Compared to YouTube and Google SEO trash, or Google Home / Alexa (which do search + wiki retrieval), at the moment GPT-4 and Claude are unironically safer for kids: no algorithmic manipulation, no ads, no affiliated trash blogs, and so on. Bonus is that it can explain on the level of complexity the child will understand for their age
        htrp 2y ago
        Yet.... https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.05905 https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.05905
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razodactyl 2y ago
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throwthrowuknow 2y ago
Watch the last few minutes of that linked video, Mira strongly hints that there’s another update coming for paid users and seems to make clear that GPT4o is moreso for free tier users (even though it is obviously a huge improvement in many features for everyone).
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