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Jack Dorsey Leaves Bluesky Board and Calls X 'Freedom Technology'

28 points by herdcall 2y ago

kuekacang 2y ago
Wth I was just binging atp.fm and I am currently on the topic of the twitter exodus and bluesky/mastodon alternatives and this news drops.
paulryanrogers 2y ago
Direct quote from Xitter: > don’t depend on corporations to grant you rights. defend them yourself using freedom technology. > (you’re on one) Which is strange since I don't think X actually federates, and its "free speech" seems a mix of pay-to-play and "don't speak ill of the king". Perhaps Dorsey was cross posting from BlueSky? Or he made nice with Musk and is trying to throw him a bone?
- saalweachter 2y ago
  Dorsey maintained his ownership of 2.4% of Twitter through the sale, no?
- darkwater 2y ago
  Link: https://x.com/jack/status/1786773074232107424 https://x.com/jack/status/1786773074232107424
- dagmx 2y ago
  Yeah, especially because on Twitter you’re at the whim of effectively a single individual who has repeatedly proven to not be congruent. I read elsewhere that he moved to Nostr which is what he might have cross posted from. Nostr would meet his criteria.
- gadders 2y ago
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  - ntp85 2y ago
    Right, because "don't contradict X" is much better than "don't contradict Y"...
    - gadders 2y ago
      I think government censorship is more dangerous than censorship by a private individual, yes.
- burkaman 2y ago
  No he doesn't even have a Bluesky account. This is an absolutely wild quote, imagine if someone made him explain what magical technology Twitter has that grants you rights without having to depend on the Twitter Corporation. He's even pinned this, he really thinks people will believe it. Edit: He did post this on Nostr as well, which makes a little more sense: https://primal.net/e/note1awa6kyufetxrvsl5j0s583hzxrcuah9demk8y5yyz6k7lhun9knq60rgtr https://primal.net/e/note1awa6kyufetxrvsl5j0s583hzxrcuah9dem.... I still don't understand why he pinned it on Twitter unless he's intentionally being ironic.
- chefkd 2y ago
  I'm not from the US so I could be misunderstanding the situation but I think free speech in this context means the ability to say anything (good or bad) against groups of people without moderation. Twitter is more lenient towards specific rhetoric same with all the social sites and their affiliations
  - tmaly 2y ago
    Given Google and Apple controlling the biggest app stores, X is forced to have moderation of some form if they want their app to remain listed.
  - JadeNB 2y ago
    > Twitter is more lenient towards specific rhetoric same with all the social sites and their affiliations Under Musk, Twitter is lenient towards specific sorts of rhetoric that align with, or at least don't conflict with, his own leanings, and very harsh on certain other types of rhetoric, perhaps most notably criticism of Musk.
oldpersonintx 2y ago
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ynniv 2y ago
I hate to break it to Bloomberg, but this was posted to both nostr and X. One of those seems more likely than the other to be "freedom technology". A cynic might say that they knew full well, and took advantage of the ambiguity. Sign things, and share them on relays. HtP https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
Yoric 2y ago
Could he be speaking of "the web"?
kstrauser 2y ago
Realistically, what’s this mean for Bluesky? If Jack’s out, I’m supposing the writing’s on the wall and there’s not much else to do but write the incredible journey blog.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I... don't see why? Like, he was just a board member, right? It's not particularly clear why him leaving would be a major problem.
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    My impression was that much of Bluesky’s excitement came from it being the next big thing, from the guy who made Twitter!, which you and I know isn’t accurate, but that’s how a lot of its headlines and blurbs appeared to me.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      Tbh, most of the media coverage of it has been "this is the Twitter replacement where we, the journalists, are going, and therefore it is the best Twitter replacement"; if anything I think the Dorsey association was seen as a little embarrassing. Like, it's hard to see this hurting use.
      - kstrauser 2y ago
        Huh, you raise a good point. I'd seen plenty of that, too. I still predict this will play out in the tech press as bad news for Bluesky, if only so that journalists can hope to get credit for their hot take.
- steveklabnik 2y ago
  He deleted his account a long time ago. If anything, it’s a positive; BlueSky continues to grow.
- archagon 2y ago
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
Avoid syndicated content. Actual article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-06/jack-dorsey-leaves-bluesky-board-calls-x-freedom-technology https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-06/jack-dors...
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago
  Some more discussion from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267446

28 points by herdcall 2y ago

Wth I was just binging atp.fm and I am currently on the topic of the twitter exodus and bluesky/mastodon alternatives and this news drops.

paulryanrogers 2y ago

Direct quote from Xitter: > don’t depend on corporations to grant you rights. defend them yourself using freedom technology. > (you’re on one) Which is strange since I don't think X actually federates, and its "free speech" seems a mix of pay-to-play and "don't speak ill of the king". Perhaps Dorsey was cross posting from BlueSky? Or he made nice with Musk and is trying to throw him a bone?

saalweachter 2y ago
Dorsey maintained his ownership of 2.4% of Twitter through the sale, no?
darkwater 2y ago
Link: https://x.com/jack/status/1786773074232107424 https://x.com/jack/status/1786773074232107424
dagmx 2y ago
Yeah, especially because on Twitter you’re at the whim of effectively a single individual who has repeatedly proven to not be congruent. I read elsewhere that he moved to Nostr which is what he might have cross posted from. Nostr would meet his criteria.
gadders 2y ago
[flagged]
- ntp85 2y ago
  Right, because "don't contradict X" is much better than "don't contradict Y"...
  - gadders 2y ago
    I think government censorship is more dangerous than censorship by a private individual, yes.
burkaman 2y ago
No he doesn't even have a Bluesky account. This is an absolutely wild quote, imagine if someone made him explain what magical technology Twitter has that grants you rights without having to depend on the Twitter Corporation. He's even pinned this, he really thinks people will believe it. Edit: He did post this on Nostr as well, which makes a little more sense: https://primal.net/e/note1awa6kyufetxrvsl5j0s583hzxrcuah9demk8y5yyz6k7lhun9knq60rgtr https://primal.net/e/note1awa6kyufetxrvsl5j0s583hzxrcuah9dem.... I still don't understand why he pinned it on Twitter unless he's intentionally being ironic.
chefkd 2y ago
I'm not from the US so I could be misunderstanding the situation but I think free speech in this context means the ability to say anything (good or bad) against groups of people without moderation. Twitter is more lenient towards specific rhetoric same with all the social sites and their affiliations
- tmaly 2y ago
  Given Google and Apple controlling the biggest app stores, X is forced to have moderation of some form if they want their app to remain listed.
- JadeNB 2y ago
  > Twitter is more lenient towards specific rhetoric same with all the social sites and their affiliations Under Musk, Twitter is lenient towards specific sorts of rhetoric that align with, or at least don't conflict with, his own leanings, and very harsh on certain other types of rhetoric, perhaps most notably criticism of Musk.

oldpersonintx 2y ago

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ynniv 2y ago

I hate to break it to Bloomberg, but this was posted to both nostr and X. One of those seems more likely than the other to be "freedom technology". A cynic might say that they knew full well, and took advantage of the ambiguity. Sign things, and share them on relays. HtP https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr

Yoric 2y ago

Could he be speaking of "the web"?

kstrauser 2y ago

Realistically, what’s this mean for Bluesky? If Jack’s out, I’m supposing the writing’s on the wall and there’s not much else to do but write the incredible journey blog.

rsynnott 2y ago
I... don't see why? Like, he was just a board member, right? It's not particularly clear why him leaving would be a major problem.
- kstrauser 2y ago
  My impression was that much of Bluesky’s excitement came from it being the next big thing, from the guy who made Twitter!, which you and I know isn’t accurate, but that’s how a lot of its headlines and blurbs appeared to me.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    Tbh, most of the media coverage of it has been "this is the Twitter replacement where we, the journalists, are going, and therefore it is the best Twitter replacement"; if anything I think the Dorsey association was seen as a little embarrassing. Like, it's hard to see this hurting use.
    - kstrauser 2y ago
      Huh, you raise a good point. I'd seen plenty of that, too. I still predict this will play out in the tech press as bad news for Bluesky, if only so that journalists can hope to get credit for their hot take.
steveklabnik 2y ago
He deleted his account a long time ago. If anything, it’s a positive; BlueSky continues to grow.
archagon 2y ago

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

Avoid syndicated content. Actual article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-06/jack-dorsey-leaves-bluesky-board-calls-x-freedom-technology https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-06/jack-dors...

ChrisArchitect 2y ago
Some more discussion from a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267446 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40267446