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If they didn't want to be subject to Austin city regulations they could have not built in Austin city limits

polski-g 2y ago
Cities in Texas can annex surrounding land, unlike say in NY where boundaries are fixed. It makes sense that the land owners can choose to be de-annexed if they want.
tombert 2y ago
I hate Elon Musk and I think that the Tesla corporation is overvalued, and I am generally for environmental regulations, but it's not like "state laws preempting city laws" is unique to Texas. This is true of pretty much every state, just like federal laws preempting state laws. I can't really blame a for-profit corporation for using the laws as they are written. I blame Texas for having the loophole.
- fallingknife 2y ago
  It's actually not just like federal laws preempting state laws. It's much stronger. States actually have a degree of sovereignty that can protect them from preemption in some cases. Local governments have none and are completely subordinated to the state governments.
- BobaFloutist 2y ago
  >I can't really blame a for-profit corporation for using the laws as they are written. It's funny how whenever a corporation behaves hostilely toward its community, or its customers, or its competitors the rallying cry is "Well it's for profit, they might as well do whatever is mathematically correct", but whenever people turn around and try to make the behavior mathematically incorrect by, say, regulating the corporation or refusing to do business with them or protesting and blocking the factory site they're all of a sudden being unfair and disrupting legitimate business operations.
  - tombert 2y ago
    I can't speak for other people but I'm 100% onboard with increasing regulations so that it's illegal and/or too expensive for corporations to do unethical things. I'm also alright with people refusing to do business with companies that they feel operate unethically. I'm onboard with protesting and potentially blocking the sites as well. I'm just saying that a corporation is sort of like the frog/scorpion story; it's their nature to maximize profit in any way they can, and at some point you can't even really blame them. It's up to governments and customers to make bad practices illegal or impractical.
    - BobaFloutist 2y ago
      I still fully blame them. There're plenty of corporations that make an effort to embed themselves in their communities as stakeholders and engage the public. It's entirely possible to run a successful business without fucking over your workers, your customers, or your community. I think we give way too much of a free pass to the actual people making the actual decisions to fuck people over. I think if we started yelling at them and ostracizing them more instead of just shrugging and saying it's the nature of the game, there'd be a lot less misbehavior going around.
      - tombert 2y ago
        Sure, I have no issue with thinking that the people in charge of companies are assholes. I don't have much nice stuff to say about pretty much any CEO of big tech companies (and most other companies either). From a social level it's totally fine to dislike them. I also think it's fine to yell at them or ostracize them. I'm not going to stop you if you treat Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Rupert Murdoch badly on Twitter or something. I'm just saying that we kind of have to expect this stuff. If there is a loophole, I think we have to assume that someone eventually finding it and exploit it. I'm not saying that every corporation is always going to do it, just that some definitely will. It's up to lawmakers and voters to ensure that the loopholes are closed.
exabrial 2y ago
If Austin didn’t want to be subject to Texas regulations they should move somewhere else.

Cities in Texas can annex surrounding land, unlike say in NY where boundaries are fixed. It makes sense that the land owners can choose to be de-annexed if they want.

tombert 2y ago

I hate Elon Musk and I think that the Tesla corporation is overvalued, and I am generally for environmental regulations, but it's not like "state laws preempting city laws" is unique to Texas. This is true of pretty much every state, just like federal laws preempting state laws. I can't really blame a for-profit corporation for using the laws as they are written. I blame Texas for having the loophole.

fallingknife 2y ago
It's actually not just like federal laws preempting state laws. It's much stronger. States actually have a degree of sovereignty that can protect them from preemption in some cases. Local governments have none and are completely subordinated to the state governments.
BobaFloutist 2y ago
>I can't really blame a for-profit corporation for using the laws as they are written. It's funny how whenever a corporation behaves hostilely toward its community, or its customers, or its competitors the rallying cry is "Well it's for profit, they might as well do whatever is mathematically correct", but whenever people turn around and try to make the behavior mathematically incorrect by, say, regulating the corporation or refusing to do business with them or protesting and blocking the factory site they're all of a sudden being unfair and disrupting legitimate business operations.
- tombert 2y ago
  I can't speak for other people but I'm 100% onboard with increasing regulations so that it's illegal and/or too expensive for corporations to do unethical things. I'm also alright with people refusing to do business with companies that they feel operate unethically. I'm onboard with protesting and potentially blocking the sites as well. I'm just saying that a corporation is sort of like the frog/scorpion story; it's their nature to maximize profit in any way they can, and at some point you can't even really blame them. It's up to governments and customers to make bad practices illegal or impractical.
  - BobaFloutist 2y ago
    I still fully blame them. There're plenty of corporations that make an effort to embed themselves in their communities as stakeholders and engage the public. It's entirely possible to run a successful business without fucking over your workers, your customers, or your community. I think we give way too much of a free pass to the actual people making the actual decisions to fuck people over. I think if we started yelling at them and ostracizing them more instead of just shrugging and saying it's the nature of the game, there'd be a lot less misbehavior going around.
    - tombert 2y ago
      Sure, I have no issue with thinking that the people in charge of companies are assholes. I don't have much nice stuff to say about pretty much any CEO of big tech companies (and most other companies either). From a social level it's totally fine to dislike them. I also think it's fine to yell at them or ostracize them. I'm not going to stop you if you treat Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or Rupert Murdoch badly on Twitter or something. I'm just saying that we kind of have to expect this stuff. If there is a loophole, I think we have to assume that someone eventually finding it and exploit it. I'm not saying that every corporation is always going to do it, just that some definitely will. It's up to lawmakers and voters to ensure that the loopholes are closed.

exabrial 2y ago

If Austin didn’t want to be subject to Texas regulations they should move somewhere else.