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The craziest thing is, regardless how people feel about politics, Musk has achieved a lot for technology yet people in technology forums disparage him. I guess

The craziest thing is, regardless how people feel about politics, Musk has achieved a lot for technology yet people in technology forums disparage him. I guess politics trumps technology.

jshen 2y ago
Integrity matters. He has none. You can't say things that aren't true over and over and expect to be believed the next time.
- brianbreslin 2y ago
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krapp 2y ago
"Achieving a lot for technology" does not put one above criticism.
uuddlrlrbaba 2y ago
The parroted introduction has me reading this comment in bad faith, but I'll bite anyway. What are some of his personal tech achievements? Emphasis on personal.
PaywallBuster 2y ago
Nonetheless I have to agree with both you and parent reply it's possible if it wasn't or trade wars it would've been easy to source batteries from china but who can control geo politics :)
- rchaud 2y ago
  But Musk himself has said that American EV makers can't compete against Chinese EVs without trade barriers. Barriers that western governments have been more than happy to establish. > "If there are no trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world," he said. "They're extremely good." https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
kibwen 2y ago
> The craziest thing is I wouldn't call it crazy to point to someone with a documented history of lying and say that their word can't be trusted. Rather, that's called basic pattern recognition.
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- rchaud 2y ago
  One man's lie is another man's "4D chess move".
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  - cool_dude85 2y ago
    The dancing robot has to be more than a 4D chess move. That's gotta be at least 7 or 8 D chess.
perfect_wave 2y ago
Or maybe, just maybe, it’s that the dude spews whatever out of his mouth and the broader public and media take him at his word when time again its been seen that his word doesn’t mean shit.
colingoodman 2y ago
He has a notorious habit of overpromising and underdelivering. I thought that habit of his was well established even before he became so vocally political.
- astrodust 2y ago
  You have to wonder if working for four or five different companies while, allegedly, being on _all the drugs_ has an impact on his performance. If Musk ran Apple we'd still be waiting on the iPhone XS, though he'd insist it'll be ready by "end of year", a phone that launched around the time Musk was crowing about these trucks.
- jdewerd 2y ago
  It was, but it was the politics that swung the opinion pendulum from pathological "admire wins, ignore losses" to pathological "ignore wins, disparage losses."
willsmith72 2y ago
both are true. he's achieved amazing things, seriously pushing technology forwards he also makes outlandish public claims which are ridiculous at the time and get worse with age. you can appreciate what he's done while simultaneously believing 0% of what leaves his mouth
lukefreiler 2y ago
As an early owner of a Model S with FSD, he's also made a lot of objectively false claims that burned customers and have nothing to do with politics.
bradjohnson 2y ago
He successfully marketed and monetized an industry that already existed and would continue to exist without him, then reinvested in that industry to make himself more money. The way you and some others talk about him you would think he invented batteries and was the first one to discover you can use electricity to make a car move.

The craziest thing is, regardless how people feel about politics, Musk has achieved a lot for technology yet people in technology forums disparage him. I guess politics trumps technology.

jshen 2y ago

Integrity matters. He has none. You can't say things that aren't true over and over and expect to be believed the next time.

brianbreslin 2y ago
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krapp 2y ago

"Achieving a lot for technology" does not put one above criticism.

uuddlrlrbaba 2y ago

The parroted introduction has me reading this comment in bad faith, but I'll bite anyway. What are some of his personal tech achievements? Emphasis on personal.

PaywallBuster 2y ago

Nonetheless I have to agree with both you and parent reply it's possible if it wasn't or trade wars it would've been easy to source batteries from china but who can control geo politics :)

rchaud 2y ago
But Musk himself has said that American EV makers can't compete against Chinese EVs without trade barriers. Barriers that western governments have been more than happy to establish. > "If there are no trade barriers established, they will pretty much demolish most other car companies in the world," he said. "They're extremely good." https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-ceo-musk-chinese-ev-firms-will-demolish-rivals-without-trade-barriers-2024-01-25/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

kibwen 2y ago

> The craziest thing is I wouldn't call it crazy to point to someone with a documented history of lying and say that their word can't be trusted. Rather, that's called basic pattern recognition.

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rchaud 2y ago
One man's lie is another man's "4D chess move".
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- cool_dude85 2y ago
  The dancing robot has to be more than a 4D chess move. That's gotta be at least 7 or 8 D chess.

perfect_wave 2y ago

Or maybe, just maybe, it’s that the dude spews whatever out of his mouth and the broader public and media take him at his word when time again its been seen that his word doesn’t mean shit.

colingoodman 2y ago

He has a notorious habit of overpromising and underdelivering. I thought that habit of his was well established even before he became so vocally political.

astrodust 2y ago
You have to wonder if working for four or five different companies while, allegedly, being on _all the drugs_ has an impact on his performance. If Musk ran Apple we'd still be waiting on the iPhone XS, though he'd insist it'll be ready by "end of year", a phone that launched around the time Musk was crowing about these trucks.
jdewerd 2y ago
It was, but it was the politics that swung the opinion pendulum from pathological "admire wins, ignore losses" to pathological "ignore wins, disparage losses."

willsmith72 2y ago

both are true. he's achieved amazing things, seriously pushing technology forwards he also makes outlandish public claims which are ridiculous at the time and get worse with age. you can appreciate what he's done while simultaneously believing 0% of what leaves his mouth

lukefreiler 2y ago

As an early owner of a Model S with FSD, he's also made a lot of objectively false claims that burned customers and have nothing to do with politics.

bradjohnson 2y ago

He successfully marketed and monetized an industry that already existed and would continue to exist without him, then reinvested in that industry to make himself more money. The way you and some others talk about him you would think he invented batteries and was the first one to discover you can use electricity to make a car move.