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Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.
by MilaM 2y ago
Just yesterday, I bought a raw milk, aged cheese. Now I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume them in light of this development.
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- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoI would suggest not. From what I've heard, raw milk, in general, is pretty dangerous. Louis Pasteur won all kinds of awards for doing things like figuring out how to treat milk. Some of the bugs you can get from raw milk are not fun.
- resolutebat 2y agoLots of European cheeses are made from raw milk and cases of people getting sick from anything commercially prepared are vanishingly rare, even when the end product looks and smells like death.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoI suspect most of them are. I'll bet that the process of becoming cheese treats the bugs. From what I hear, consuming raw milk is what's dangerous.
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- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoWhut? Please explain. I’m afraid I’m too dense to understand that. I didn’t mean to insult anyone’s sacred cow. I just have some experience in this. However, unhomogenized milk can be pretty cool. When we lived in London, we used to get daily deliveries of bottled, unhomogenized milk, and I always loved taking the cream off the top.
- nkurz 2y ago"MilaM" asked "I wonder if it is reasonably safe to consume [the raw milk, aged cheese I just bought]". You answered "I would suggest not". "bartonfink" (reasonably but rudely) took this to mean you were saying that cheese made from raw milk was "not" "reasonably safe to consume". What did you actually mean by "I would suggest not"?
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoThen my apologies. I assumed that it was raw milk and cheese; not cheese, made from raw milk. Carry on, then. My bad. See how easy that was? It was my mistake, and I have absolutely no problem, admitting it, but it did not require any name-calling.
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- pjc50 2y agoCheese is a little different because the aging process kills some pathogens. But I'd check with your local food safety authorities. Edit: SciAm says a qualified "mostly safe": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-raw-milk-cheese-safe-to-eat/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-raw-milk-chees...
- MilaM 2y agoI am aware, that ageing has a positive effects with regard to food safety. What I'm less certain of is if this is also true for viruses.
- fsckboy 2y agoI'm no expert so don't treat my comments as health advice, but viruses are large complex molecules and they don't tend to survive intact very long outside of living cells, do they?
- gus_massa 2y agoWhen smallpox was eradicated, the WHO organized teams to collect and destroy samples of smallpox used in remote places for variolation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation#Decline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation#Decline IIRC the samples they found were too old and did not contain viable virus, but they were afraid they could start a new smallpox epidemic. So ... I guess they think virus can survive for a long time.
- Two4 2y agoSo avoid the creme fraiche, dive into the parmigiana?
- FrenchDevRemote 2y agoReally depends on where you buy it. Some real cheese maker, or some random crappy industrial brand? In France we eat cheese made from raw milk all the time, it's almost never a problem, it's so rare that when it does it makes the news and products are recalled.
- MilaM 2y agoIt is a French cheese, but bought in a German supermarket. So most likely more industrial production for the mass market. It's still tasty, but probably not the best one you can buy out there.
- passwordoops 2y agoCheese would be fine. Most pathogens will be outcompeted and killed by the "good" microbes. It's the milk itself you want to avoid