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What about accessibility?

• the_real_cher 2y ago
  Wouldn't raw html be better for accessibility than a JS framework? Saying this as a non-front end dev.
  • ivan_gammel 2y ago
    If done correctly it doesn’t matter. SSR can yield an accessible HTML page and you won’t notice the difference. Client-side JS can adapt the web site to your needs -a personalization that is hard to achieve in static.
    • marcosdumay 2y ago
      When was the last time... Or rather, when have you ever seen a framework-based page with accessibility done correctly?
      • ivan_gammel 2y ago
        I have seen many sites scoring well on various accessibility metrics. There’s no inherent technical limitation of frameworks that would make accessibility impossible, even when dealing with text to speech. We will see many more next year with EAA coming into effect (and many European companies do care about compliance).
        • jilijeanlouis 2y ago
          Despite regulation I don’t Believe it will actually get implemented even governments have regulations around audio accessibility for education in particular, for years now, and still nothing moves.
  • Conlectus 2y ago
    Raw HTML: potentially. Big blocks of undifferentiated ASCII art: no.
    • garfij 2y ago
      aria-hidden=true
      • joemi 2y ago
        Not present on the page in question, though.
• warkdarrior 2y ago
  Fuck accessibility. We're hackers, if it was hard to write, it should be hard to read.
  • ivan_gammel 2y ago
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    • freedomben 2y ago
      Hackers come in all ages, colors, shapes, and sizes. The ethos is one that is the very opposite of identitarianism. I would highly recommend getting to know more people in the community. Also, I would guess that GP is making a joke based on a classic (and funny) stereotype.
      • ivan_gammel 2y ago
        There’s no such thing as single community of hackers with some ethos. Exactly because “identitarianism” isn’t their thing. The hats are of different colors. GP may be making a joke, but you should read the irony in my comment too. From my experience people who disregard accessibility are often the ones who were never disadvantaged or discriminated. Hence the attributes I mentioned.
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• solardev 2y ago
  That's what 8-bit text to speech was for, played from the PC Speaker for maximum effect. It sounded like Stephen Hawking choking on vodka, but that somehow fit the mood.
  • freedomben 2y ago
    > It sounded like Stephen Hawking choking on vodka I'm probably way, way overthinking this, but this seems philosophically quite deep and interesting, much like "what is the sound of one hand clapping" (ignoring Bart Simpson's masterful destruction of the ancient question).
    • ganzuul 2y ago
      Looking forward to your zine publication.
• oytis 2y ago
  Accessibility of this page is pretty bad as far as I can tell, but not because it's plain HTML. And if I understand correctly you can mark ASCII art as an image (role="img") with alternative text too.
• wddkcs 2y ago
  Not everyone has to access everything.
• troyvit 2y ago
  Oooh good point. W3c accounts for it, and it's not that tough. Just a case of putting in the raw html: https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H86.html https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/H86.html