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If you told me Facebook directed some AI chatbots here to discuss how great this is, I'd believe you. It seems the initial comments are positive, followed by a

If you told me Facebook directed some AI chatbots here to discuss how great this is, I'd believe you. It seems the initial comments are positive, followed by a lot of arguing. It's usually pointless debates, like whether it's a ban. Yes, it is effectively a ban, similar to imposing a million-dollar tax per gun, or required to be age 85, which essentially bans something protected by an amendment. Then there are those calling for regulations and bans, which is strange. I can manage my app usage and my kids', but I can't control safety regulations for trains carrying toxic chemicals. And then there are the trade war advocates; at what point does this back-and-forth justify losing rights and access? I don't care if China becomes like North Korea. The bill also mentions website and service providers, meaning it could block access through websites too. We should have rights to privacy, encryption, and anonymous whistleblowing without government interference in every social media platform.

PM_me_your_math 2y ago
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budududuroiu 2y ago
It’s not about you and your kids’ usage, it’s about the general population. Let’s not be naive, TikTok is the 2020s version of “Radio Free X”, a state-backed propaganda tool where anyone can run targeted ads with pinpoint geo accuracy, and cause division and social unrest. And unlike Facebook or YouTube, you can’t hold a company owned by a near-peer geopolitical adversary liable in the US.
- Golden_Wind123 2y ago
  At this point Tiktok is getting more regulatory action against it than Facebook has....and Facebook's lax moderation spread the wildfire of genocide in Myanmar.
  - budududuroiu 2y ago
    As it should. This might sound insensitive, but we’re drifting back to an era of realpolitik in geopolitics. Facebook fanning the flames of a genocide in Myanmar has little effect on US citizens, TikTok does.
    - Golden_Wind123 2y ago
      I also seem to think Facebook fanning the flames of an insurrection is a greater threat than whatever dubious vaguely defined impact TikTok has had.
      - budududuroiu 2y ago
        You can hold Facebook legally accountable in the US (whether you will or not is another question). You can’t hold TikTok legally accountable.
        ramblenode 2y ago
        > You can’t hold TikTok legally accountable. Sure you can. You follow the law or you are banned from doing business. This law just skipped the first part because the authors didn't want to write any actual regulations.
        budududuroiu 2y ago
        Why wait until TikTok breaks the law to ban them? Banning an app after it’s been used for nefarious reasons to either spread propaganda or incite chaos in the upcoming elections is too late. It’s like saying “let’s not patch a zero day we found because no one has abused it”. TikTok being owner by Bytedance means you don’t have who to prosecute for misdeeds, besides some fall guy.
        b-side 2y ago
        Interesting that you think breaking the laws is justification for banning a Platform. I wonder how the US would feel about the EU banning every last US tech company for the plethora of violations.
ajross 2y ago
> If you told me Facebook directed some AI chatbots here to discuss how great this is, I'd believe you. Relevant to context: whatasaas is an account with 10 karma and 9 total comments that has been mostly idle for its 14 month existence. Many of the trench fighters in the threads here are names I recognize.
- whatasaas 2y ago
  Yea caught me, I self reported to try and trick everyone. Jokes aside my comment was based on net neutrality if you don’t remember https://duckduckgo.com/?q=net+neitrality+bot+comments https://duckduckgo.com/?q=net+neitrality+bot+comments Some of the stuff that really chipped at our privacy as our isps got to sell our dns pings to advertisers and social media. Have a good day citizen.
- sandspar 2y ago
  Paranoia

PM_me_your_math 2y ago

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budududuroiu 2y ago

It’s not about you and your kids’ usage, it’s about the general population. Let’s not be naive, TikTok is the 2020s version of “Radio Free X”, a state-backed propaganda tool where anyone can run targeted ads with pinpoint geo accuracy, and cause division and social unrest. And unlike Facebook or YouTube, you can’t hold a company owned by a near-peer geopolitical adversary liable in the US.

Golden_Wind123 2y ago
At this point Tiktok is getting more regulatory action against it than Facebook has....and Facebook's lax moderation spread the wildfire of genocide in Myanmar.
- budududuroiu 2y ago
  As it should. This might sound insensitive, but we’re drifting back to an era of realpolitik in geopolitics. Facebook fanning the flames of a genocide in Myanmar has little effect on US citizens, TikTok does.
  - Golden_Wind123 2y ago
    I also seem to think Facebook fanning the flames of an insurrection is a greater threat than whatever dubious vaguely defined impact TikTok has had.
    - budududuroiu 2y ago
      You can hold Facebook legally accountable in the US (whether you will or not is another question). You can’t hold TikTok legally accountable.
      - ramblenode 2y ago
        > You can’t hold TikTok legally accountable. Sure you can. You follow the law or you are banned from doing business. This law just skipped the first part because the authors didn't want to write any actual regulations.
        budududuroiu 2y ago
        Why wait until TikTok breaks the law to ban them? Banning an app after it’s been used for nefarious reasons to either spread propaganda or incite chaos in the upcoming elections is too late. It’s like saying “let’s not patch a zero day we found because no one has abused it”. TikTok being owner by Bytedance means you don’t have who to prosecute for misdeeds, besides some fall guy.
        b-side 2y ago
        Interesting that you think breaking the laws is justification for banning a Platform. I wonder how the US would feel about the EU banning every last US tech company for the plethora of violations.

ajross 2y ago

> If you told me Facebook directed some AI chatbots here to discuss how great this is, I'd believe you. Relevant to context: whatasaas is an account with 10 karma and 9 total comments that has been mostly idle for its 14 month existence. Many of the trench fighters in the threads here are names I recognize.

whatasaas 2y ago
Yea caught me, I self reported to try and trick everyone. Jokes aside my comment was based on net neutrality if you don’t remember https://duckduckgo.com/?q=net+neitrality+bot+comments https://duckduckgo.com/?q=net+neitrality+bot+comments Some of the stuff that really chipped at our privacy as our isps got to sell our dns pings to advertisers and social media. Have a good day citizen.
sandspar 2y ago
Paranoia