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Please cite a well written study to back up your claim that is not an opinion piece or some state sanctioned message, from any country.

j0ba 2y ago
I'm writing one right now, just waiting on the CCP to get back to me with their internal communications and commit history at tiktok which will prove this. /s
- chamsom 2y ago
  You contradict yourself by asserting "arbitrary action X, which will prove this" implying the party is guilty by mere speculation about unknowns.
  - j0ba 2y ago
    I never implied the party is guilty, although my prediction is that they are. My point is that it's impossible to prove what the commenter was asking for.
    - chamsom 2y ago
      "which will prove this" is not a prediction, it's an assertion of absolute truth.
goliathDown 2y ago
That's a bit of a ridiculous standard. Mostly because I don't think China is liable to hand out the records they've been gathering to cross check findings from other study.
- chamsom 2y ago
  You don't need records conduct research if a specific message is being spread on TikTok against chance, to at least back up an unsubstantiated theory — even if not practical in the court of law. For anyone who uses TikTok regularly, it's evident there frequently political content that outright contradict's China's positions, spreading unfettered through the platform.
  - goliathDown 2y ago
    Even if there is zero evidence supporting an influence campaign on the platform, the ease of collecting user data or spying on users is something I would expect an active adversary to do. Like it or not, China and America are at odds with each other, and it's almost silly to assume that China would not be exploiting a successful tool for their own means.
MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago
They sent a push notification to every American user asking them to ask their congressman to not ban tiktok.
- Thiez 2y ago
  That's hardly the subtle influence that we're all supposed to be afraid of. If that's the only example you cas come up with... that's not a strong case.
  - MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago
    That’s overt influence showing they aren’t afraid to use their muscle. Of course they’re willing to use more subtle messages. The same govt that screwed the entire world with Covid-19 will use tiktok for nefarious purposes. This isn’t a stretch.
CapricornNoble 2y ago
Does this count? https://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinese-Wang-Xiangsui https://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinese-Wang-Xia... How does someone do data collection on how the Chinese government weaponizes a social media platform? That would almost certainly involve Tailored Access Operations (or whatever they are calling offensive cyber warfare these days), not only of questionable legality but definitely compromising the sort of Tactics/Techniques/Procedures you REALLY don't want made public.

j0ba 2y ago

I'm writing one right now, just waiting on the CCP to get back to me with their internal communications and commit history at tiktok which will prove this. /s

chamsom 2y ago
You contradict yourself by asserting "arbitrary action X, which will prove this" implying the party is guilty by mere speculation about unknowns.
- j0ba 2y ago
  I never implied the party is guilty, although my prediction is that they are. My point is that it's impossible to prove what the commenter was asking for.
  - chamsom 2y ago
    "which will prove this" is not a prediction, it's an assertion of absolute truth.

goliathDown 2y ago

That's a bit of a ridiculous standard. Mostly because I don't think China is liable to hand out the records they've been gathering to cross check findings from other study.

chamsom 2y ago
You don't need records conduct research if a specific message is being spread on TikTok against chance, to at least back up an unsubstantiated theory — even if not practical in the court of law. For anyone who uses TikTok regularly, it's evident there frequently political content that outright contradict's China's positions, spreading unfettered through the platform.
- goliathDown 2y ago
  Even if there is zero evidence supporting an influence campaign on the platform, the ease of collecting user data or spying on users is something I would expect an active adversary to do. Like it or not, China and America are at odds with each other, and it's almost silly to assume that China would not be exploiting a successful tool for their own means.

MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago

They sent a push notification to every American user asking them to ask their congressman to not ban tiktok.

Thiez 2y ago
That's hardly the subtle influence that we're all supposed to be afraid of. If that's the only example you cas come up with... that's not a strong case.
- MaxHoppersGhost 2y ago
  That’s overt influence showing they aren’t afraid to use their muscle. Of course they’re willing to use more subtle messages. The same govt that screwed the entire world with Covid-19 will use tiktok for nefarious purposes. This isn’t a stretch.

CapricornNoble 2y ago

Does this count? https://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinese-Wang-Xiangsui https://www.amazon.com/Unrestricted-Warfare-Chinese-Wang-Xia... How does someone do data collection on how the Chinese government weaponizes a social media platform? That would almost certainly involve Tailored Access Operations (or whatever they are calling offensive cyber warfare these days), not only of questionable legality but definitely compromising the sort of Tactics/Techniques/Procedures you REALLY don't want made public.