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Yes, a few days ago the Wall St Journal ran this article: "Elon Musk Lost Democrats on Tesla When He Needed Them Most" https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon

Yes, a few days ago the Wall St Journal ran this article: "Elon Musk Lost Democrats on Tesla When He Needed Them Most" https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon-musk-turned-democrats-off-tesla-when-he-needed-them-most-176023af https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/elon-musk-turned-democrat...

Voultapher 2y ago
Let's not forget his unmistakable approval of anti-semitism. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-... There is no wiggle room here, dude claimed afterwards "That's not anti-semitism" yeah right, read the tweet and come to your own conclusion. This alone should be enough for Democrats to stop supporting this guy.
- throwaway11460 2y ago
  I don't want to defend anti semitism, but... If somebody said that about "Russian communities", "Russians" or "Russia", would that also be wrong?
  - Voultapher 2y ago
    Please go and read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism In addition I think you are making a false equivalence here. As a German citizen, I can only emphasize that grouping people along the "Jew" line and drawing hateful conclusions from it is a path to a dark place. I don't care what other scenarios might also be problematic, I can say without a doubt, the sentiment he endorsed is anti-semitic!
    - throwaway11460 2y ago
      This is not whataboutism - I am not saying it's not wrong because others do it too, or that it's not antisemitism. I am not presenting any opinion or judgment. I am trying to understand whether it's considered to be the same or different. BTW my grandfather was in a Nazi concentration camp. I guess that says enough about what I think. But my opinion is not the matter here.
      - Voultapher 2y ago
        > I am trying to understand whether it's considered to be the same or different. Why does it matter in this conversation? If you want an ethical discussion about a mildly related topic, please find someone else to have it with. I'm not interested in having that discussion with you here.
        throwaway11460 2y ago
        It matters because it interests me. You're not the only user of this forum. No need to reply to me.
        Voultapher 2y ago
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    - DilettanteQuant 2y ago
      Our countries weren't conquered by foreign powers who set up occupation governments with blasphemy laws against the ruling classes. Please leave your German brainwashing on these topics at home.
  - lenkite 2y ago
    Yes, NATO nations have marked Russia as the clear and designated enemy. So, any statements that that support Russia or Russians are very bad and wrong and will be down-voted. All statements that criticize Russia or Russians are very good and correct and will be up-voted. You are a Pro-Putin-bot if you disagree with this.

Voultapher 2y ago

Let's not forget his unmistakable approval of anti-semitism. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-white-people/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/media/elon-musk-antisemitism-... There is no wiggle room here, dude claimed afterwards "That's not anti-semitism" yeah right, read the tweet and come to your own conclusion. This alone should be enough for Democrats to stop supporting this guy.

throwaway11460 2y ago
I don't want to defend anti semitism, but... If somebody said that about "Russian communities", "Russians" or "Russia", would that also be wrong?
- Voultapher 2y ago
  Please go and read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism In addition I think you are making a false equivalence here. As a German citizen, I can only emphasize that grouping people along the "Jew" line and drawing hateful conclusions from it is a path to a dark place. I don't care what other scenarios might also be problematic, I can say without a doubt, the sentiment he endorsed is anti-semitic!
  - throwaway11460 2y ago
    This is not whataboutism - I am not saying it's not wrong because others do it too, or that it's not antisemitism. I am not presenting any opinion or judgment. I am trying to understand whether it's considered to be the same or different. BTW my grandfather was in a Nazi concentration camp. I guess that says enough about what I think. But my opinion is not the matter here.
    - Voultapher 2y ago
      > I am trying to understand whether it's considered to be the same or different. Why does it matter in this conversation? If you want an ethical discussion about a mildly related topic, please find someone else to have it with. I'm not interested in having that discussion with you here.
      - throwaway11460 2y ago
        It matters because it interests me. You're not the only user of this forum. No need to reply to me.
        Voultapher 2y ago
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  - DilettanteQuant 2y ago
    Our countries weren't conquered by foreign powers who set up occupation governments with blasphemy laws against the ruling classes. Please leave your German brainwashing on these topics at home.
- lenkite 2y ago
  Yes, NATO nations have marked Russia as the clear and designated enemy. So, any statements that that support Russia or Russians are very bad and wrong and will be down-voted. All statements that criticize Russia or Russians are very good and correct and will be up-voted. You are a Pro-Putin-bot if you disagree with this.