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We use Tailscale quite heavily and the SSH feature. Along with many other features, it is great. However, the article doesn't mention pricing, which for me pers

We use Tailscale quite heavily and the SSH feature. Along with many other features, it is great. However, the article doesn't mention pricing, which for me personally seems quite high at $18/month/user. [1] [1] https://tailscale.com/pricing https://tailscale.com/pricing

Chilinot 2y ago
I dont know about the pricing. Over the last couple of months i have been investigating different alternatives for better access control to our internal resources. And Tailscale seems to be on the cheaper end compared to other offerings.
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago
Damn, in beta it was available to all plans. Maybe in the future they'll make it available for Starter and Personal plan too.
- marcocampos 2y ago
  According to the post it’s available on Personal too.
  - sirdvd 2y ago
    But not for Starter. I wonder what's the reasoning of excluding only the Starter plan.
    - mkl 2y ago
      To encourage commercial users to upgrade and pay more I guess.
dilyevsky 2y ago
Which other vendors did you get quotes from? Genuinely curios. Ime they are very competitive on price compared to some others. One of my former gigs used a competitor (also a startup) that was 2x the price and offered way less flexible setup but our “architect” rushed it bc of the way he was. Other more established competitors were even more expensive
maxcoding 2y ago
It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh
- jsty 2y ago
  It's listed as available for the personal plan under "Compare Plans and Features" -> "Application Networking" on the pricing page
- fransje26 2y ago
  What is their incentive to offer such a service for free? Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?
  - computerfriend 2y ago
    People who use it at home will buy the corporate plans in work.
  - IanCal 2y ago
    Their response in the past about their free tiers has been that it's low cost to offer and it results in larger sales (devs use it themselves, like it and bring it to places they work).
  - _ikke_ 2y ago
    They have a blogpost about it: https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan > TL;DR: Tailscale’s free plan is free because we keep our scaling costs low relative to typical SaaS companies. We care about privacy, so unlike some other freemium models, you and your data are not the product. Rather, increased word-of-mouth from free plans sells the more valuable corporate plans. I know, it sounds too good to be true. Let’s see some details.
timrichard 2y ago
I've been impressed with ZeroTier. The free tier is pretty generous. Plus the desktop client allows you to access more than one network/account at the same time. IIRC, Tailscale requires you to switch between accounts.
- Fnoord 2y ago
  ZeroTier doesn't use WireGuard under the roof. Tailscale SSH is quite interesting because it'd require Tailscale authentication. So it would segment SSH access off, and makes SSH access also generally available to all clients utilizing Tailscale, regardless of host OS. I checked, and it doesn't seem like Headscale supports SSH access.

Chilinot 2y ago

I dont know about the pricing. Over the last couple of months i have been investigating different alternatives for better access control to our internal resources. And Tailscale seems to be on the cheaper end compared to other offerings.

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 2y ago

Damn, in beta it was available to all plans. Maybe in the future they'll make it available for Starter and Personal plan too.

marcocampos 2y ago
According to the post it’s available on Personal too.
- sirdvd 2y ago
  But not for Starter. I wonder what's the reasoning of excluding only the Starter plan.
  - mkl 2y ago
    To encourage commercial users to upgrade and pay more I guess.

dilyevsky 2y ago

Which other vendors did you get quotes from? Genuinely curios. Ime they are very competitive on price compared to some others. One of my former gigs used a competitor (also a startup) that was 2x the price and offered way less flexible setup but our “architect” rushed it bc of the way he was. Other more established competitors were even more expensive

maxcoding 2y ago

It is quite clearly stated in both this announcement and the docs [1] that it is available for the personal (aka free) plan. Not sure why their pricing plan does not include any mention of it. [1] https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh https://tailscale.com/kb/1193/tailscale-ssh

jsty 2y ago
It's listed as available for the personal plan under "Compare Plans and Features" -> "Application Networking" on the pricing page
fransje26 2y ago
What is their incentive to offer such a service for free? Following the adage "if it's for free, you are the product", what is going on behind the scenes? Are they providing their services as a giant honey-pot to sniff on traffic?
- computerfriend 2y ago
  People who use it at home will buy the corporate plans in work.
- IanCal 2y ago
  Their response in the past about their free tiers has been that it's low cost to offer and it results in larger sales (devs use it themselves, like it and bring it to places they work).
- _ikke_ 2y ago
  They have a blogpost about it: https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan https://tailscale.com/blog/free-plan > TL;DR: Tailscale’s free plan is free because we keep our scaling costs low relative to typical SaaS companies. We care about privacy, so unlike some other freemium models, you and your data are not the product. Rather, increased word-of-mouth from free plans sells the more valuable corporate plans. I know, it sounds too good to be true. Let’s see some details.

timrichard 2y ago

I've been impressed with ZeroTier. The free tier is pretty generous. Plus the desktop client allows you to access more than one network/account at the same time. IIRC, Tailscale requires you to switch between accounts.

Fnoord 2y ago
ZeroTier doesn't use WireGuard under the roof. Tailscale SSH is quite interesting because it'd require Tailscale authentication. So it would segment SSH access off, and makes SSH access also generally available to all clients utilizing Tailscale, regardless of host OS. I checked, and it doesn't seem like Headscale supports SSH access.