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Imagine if 50% of car drivers ignored all signs and traffic entirely. You'd hate them too. So many times I am stopped at a stop-sign, starting to make my turn

Imagine if 50% of car drivers ignored all signs and traffic entirely. You'd hate them too. So many times I am stopped at a stop-sign, starting to make my turn or go across, and a biker blows through that I almost kill. When a full 50% of your group is breaking the rules and causing problems, it makes sense that people going to hate you. You guys are just lucky that I am extremely careful, someday the driver will be distracted and you WILL get splattered. (I have zero problems with bikers who follow the rules of the road.)

zobzu 14y ago
If the cyclist is following the rules there's no reason to hate them as you pointed out. And I don't think cyclists are better than drivers (i know its a long post, but i did say 50% of cyclists ignore rules. Actually its more than drivers IMO. But that may be specific to SF, I don't know.) Note that if you turn after a stop and you almost kill a cyclist it means that you are most likely turning RIGHT. Because cyclists almost never go on the LEFT. It means also that you're not in the proper lane for making a right turn. You have to go in the bike lane BEFORE stopping. The bike lane is a lane like every other lane, unless both lanes are "forced turn right". I've never seen a bike lane that was "forced turn right" however (or the lane next to the bike lane for that matter)
- springishere 14y ago
  Incorrect. I'm talking about 4 way stops where I've already stopped and am entering the intersection when a bike coming from another lane ignores the stop sign and shoots in front of me. There is not many bike lanes where I live. That's not to mention turning right on a green light when the pedestrian sign is red, and bikes deciding that is the best time for them to cross using the crosswalk. This is in the far right lane, making a right hand turn on green light. Bikers need to be prosecuted for this stuff like cars, then they might learn. I do realize I am generalizing the other 50% that DO follow the rules, but the 50% that don't completely overshadow them.

zobzu 14y ago

If the cyclist is following the rules there's no reason to hate them as you pointed out. And I don't think cyclists are better than drivers (i know its a long post, but i did say 50% of cyclists ignore rules. Actually its more than drivers IMO. But that may be specific to SF, I don't know.) Note that if you turn after a stop and you almost kill a cyclist it means that you are most likely turning RIGHT. Because cyclists almost never go on the LEFT. It means also that you're not in the proper lane for making a right turn. You have to go in the bike lane BEFORE stopping. The bike lane is a lane like every other lane, unless both lanes are "forced turn right". I've never seen a bike lane that was "forced turn right" however (or the lane next to the bike lane for that matter)

springishere 14y ago
Incorrect. I'm talking about 4 way stops where I've already stopped and am entering the intersection when a bike coming from another lane ignores the stop sign and shoots in front of me. There is not many bike lanes where I live. That's not to mention turning right on a green light when the pedestrian sign is red, and bikes deciding that is the best time for them to cross using the crosswalk. This is in the far right lane, making a right hand turn on green light. Bikers need to be prosecuted for this stuff like cars, then they might learn. I do realize I am generalizing the other 50% that DO follow the rules, but the 50% that don't completely overshadow them.