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this is a joke, right?

by usamec 14y ago

paulbjensen 14y ago
I think so, seeing how they ripped off the nodejs.org site.
fsniper 14y ago
I think it's not a joke. look at the source code on github. But I can't understand this elitism. Programming language choice must not be a cult. Anyone should be free whatever language they like to use whatever they want to do. So bringing something good or seemingly good to any ecosystem should not get bad responses. They are trying to combine two worlds into a "new choice". Let them do even if yo do not like it. Nobody asks you to praise but just don't give uninformative bad responses.
- usamec 14y ago
  Trying to build fast platform on top of a superslow language is a joke.
  - fsniper 14y ago
    PHP as a platform is not super slow. Have you ever visited shootout.alioth.debian.org? most of the time PHP performs better than ruby, python or perl. It's up to 3 times faster.
  - Kudos 14y ago
    What are you comparing PHP to when calling it super slow? As far as I'm aware, it performs in the same league as Python, Ruby and Perl. There are reasons that this may be a joke, yours isn't valid.
- ralfn 14y ago
  As a community, as an industry, as an ecosystem, trying to move forward and leaving past mistakes is a good thing. Our doctors no longer use voodoo dolls. They've moved on. And nobody with any relevant educational background would promote much of phps language design. We've moved on. Unfortunately, PHP lives on as well, as some kind of eternal september of web development.
  - rickmb 14y ago
    Nobody with any relevant industry experience would overstate the important of language design. I've used many languages in my 25+ years in software development, and I've seen very little relation between language and either overall quality or simply getting stuff done. I have however observed a strong negative relationship between that and people bitching about their and other people's tools.
    - ralfn 14y ago
      I think it's just a matter of where you are on the curve. Basing a new project on Node.JS may be premature and not a wise choice. You may be too much ahead of the curve, and up to the point where more traditional tools provide a much more pragmatic advantage mostly related to their ecosystem. But nobody is writing their new website in C or ASM, or think that that is any more productive than using a more modern tool. So, there is a movement, and that movement itself is towards better language design. The question is, where on the wave, should you be. To argue, that any innovation in language ever, was always for the worst, is something reality and likely your own preferences directly contradict. >I have however observed a strong negative relationship between that and people bitching about their and other people's tools. I'm not trying to bitch. I'm not trying to argue that if all you want is a blog, that PHP is not one of the more pragmatical (get it done) approaches. But that's not what this Node.PHP is targetting for. It's PHP rearing it's head again, at the tip of the wave. And when that happens, shouldn't we all just come out and say 'burn it to the ground?'
      - fsniper 14y ago
        But that's not what this Node.PHP is targetting for. It's PHP rearing it's head again, at the tip of the wave. And when that happens, shouldn't we all just come out and say 'burn it to the ground?' But why? What harm does it give you to have another incarnation of PHP? Does a kitten die if someone writes any loc with php? If so why don't you go after Facebook and damn their hard work on HipHop? Why do so many engineers still work on PHP at Zend? please let it go. You may not like it. If so *you can just stop using it". This is some kind of saying: "I don't like latin, so why on earth people still writing books on it? Why even they teach it at schools? Why do doctors still practice and learn it somehow? Just let it go die?"
obiterdictum 14y ago
Judging by the "React in the Industry" section, this was my thought too. In fact, I was sure it is until I saw serious comments here.

this is a joke, right?

by usamec 14y ago

this is a joke, right?

paulbjensen 14y ago

I think so, seeing how they ripped off the nodejs.org site.

fsniper 14y ago

I think it's not a joke. look at the source code on github. But I can't understand this elitism. Programming language choice must not be a cult. Anyone should be free whatever language they like to use whatever they want to do. So bringing something good or seemingly good to any ecosystem should not get bad responses. They are trying to combine two worlds into a "new choice". Let them do even if yo do not like it. Nobody asks you to praise but just don't give uninformative bad responses.

usamec 14y ago
Trying to build fast platform on top of a superslow language is a joke.
- fsniper 14y ago
  PHP as a platform is not super slow. Have you ever visited shootout.alioth.debian.org? most of the time PHP performs better than ruby, python or perl. It's up to 3 times faster.
- Kudos 14y ago
  What are you comparing PHP to when calling it super slow? As far as I'm aware, it performs in the same league as Python, Ruby and Perl. There are reasons that this may be a joke, yours isn't valid.
ralfn 14y ago
As a community, as an industry, as an ecosystem, trying to move forward and leaving past mistakes is a good thing. Our doctors no longer use voodoo dolls. They've moved on. And nobody with any relevant educational background would promote much of phps language design. We've moved on. Unfortunately, PHP lives on as well, as some kind of eternal september of web development.
- rickmb 14y ago
  Nobody with any relevant industry experience would overstate the important of language design. I've used many languages in my 25+ years in software development, and I've seen very little relation between language and either overall quality or simply getting stuff done. I have however observed a strong negative relationship between that and people bitching about their and other people's tools.
  - ralfn 14y ago
    I think it's just a matter of where you are on the curve. Basing a new project on Node.JS may be premature and not a wise choice. You may be too much ahead of the curve, and up to the point where more traditional tools provide a much more pragmatic advantage mostly related to their ecosystem. But nobody is writing their new website in C or ASM, or think that that is any more productive than using a more modern tool. So, there is a movement, and that movement itself is towards better language design. The question is, where on the wave, should you be. To argue, that any innovation in language ever, was always for the worst, is something reality and likely your own preferences directly contradict. >I have however observed a strong negative relationship between that and people bitching about their and other people's tools. I'm not trying to bitch. I'm not trying to argue that if all you want is a blog, that PHP is not one of the more pragmatical (get it done) approaches. But that's not what this Node.PHP is targetting for. It's PHP rearing it's head again, at the tip of the wave. And when that happens, shouldn't we all just come out and say 'burn it to the ground?'
    - fsniper 14y ago
      But that's not what this Node.PHP is targetting for. It's PHP rearing it's head again, at the tip of the wave. And when that happens, shouldn't we all just come out and say 'burn it to the ground?' But why? What harm does it give you to have another incarnation of PHP? Does a kitten die if someone writes any loc with php? If so why don't you go after Facebook and damn their hard work on HipHop? Why do so many engineers still work on PHP at Zend? please let it go. You may not like it. If so *you can just stop using it". This is some kind of saying: "I don't like latin, so why on earth people still writing books on it? Why even they teach it at schools? Why do doctors still practice and learn it somehow? Just let it go die?"

obiterdictum 14y ago

Judging by the "React in the Industry" section, this was my thought too. In fact, I was sure it is until I saw serious comments here.