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Support for Windows 10 will end in October 2025
- meekins 2y agoThe only Windows box I have is an AMD-based gaming rig and last time I checked the hardware isn't Windows 11 compatible. Time to check out how the gaming experience on Linux is these days.
- Frenchgeek 2y agoIt's good enough I haven't even started my gaming rig for a few years now... Not painless, but my biggest problems were the System Shock remake that couldn't start a game (an update automagically fixed it) and terrible performances under Lutris with Planet Crafter (but somehow running it within Steam solve the problem). I also do not play the latest games though.
- slowbdotro 2y agoNearly every game will just work, unless you play a Competitive Game with a kernel anti-cheat. (Looking at you valorant). Https://protondb.com search for the game(s) you play, and hey presto it's fine. Obviously it's primarily targeted at steam games, Lutris will sort you out with any other windows game (a game manager like steam but for _nearly every_ game)
- coucoualpha 2y agoMicrosoft will provide Extended Security Updates (ESU) for Windows 10, start at $61 for first year, $122 for second year and $244 for third year.
- thomasdziedzic 2y ago"only applies to commercial organizations. An announcement for individual consumer pricing will be made at a later date." - https://redmondmag.com/Articles/2024/04/04/Microsoft-Reveals-Pricing-for-Windows-10-Extended-Security-Updates.aspx https://redmondmag.com/Articles/2024/04/04/Microsoft-Reveals... I'm guessing the individual pricing might be cheaper.
- skilled 2y agoRelevant, > Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 on October 14th, 2025, and you’ll need to pay yearly if you want to continue using the operating system securely. Microsoft will offer Extended Security Updates (ESU) for Windows 10 users, with pricing starting at $61 for the first year. > The details and pricing structure outlined in this post apply to commercial organizations only. Details will be shared at a later date for consumers on our consumer end of support page. Educational organizations can find tailored information about Windows 10 end of support in the Microsoft Education Blog. [0]: https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/3/24120093/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-price https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/3/24120093/microsoft-windows... [1]: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/when-to-use-windows-10-extended-security-updates/ba-p/4102628 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/w...
- hulitu 2y ago> you’ll need to pay yearly if you want to continue using the operating system securely. This sounds like paying for the bird in the bush. Only some days ago they said they still don't know how hackers accessed their systems.
- reddalo 2y agoI still remember when they used to say "we called it Windows 10 because it will be the last version of Windows"...
- guidedlight 2y agoApple did the same with Mac OS X, they stuck with it for 16 releases. Then Big Sur came out as MacOS 11.
- quonn 2y agoBut macOS is a free update and compatibility within X was just as likely to break. So other than marketing nothing changed.
- kergonath 2y agoAFAIK they never said anything about OS X being “the last version of MacOS”. So no, they did not do anything like that. I do remember Jobs talking about it being the foundation for the next 20 years, or something like that, but without mentioning any version number.
- MikusR 2y agoCan you link something official saying that? Like documentation or CEO saying that.
- coucoualpha 2y ago> Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows ... [0]: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/windows-10-to-be-last-version-of-windows/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2015/05/08/window...
- m-p-3 2y agohttps://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-version-of-windows https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve... Quoted from Jerry Nixon.
- baal80spam 2y agoAs usual, LTSC is the answer.
- xandrius 2y agoWhen I'm forced to use win, I use literally nothing else. I found it a bit of a pain to upgrade sometimes but boy it's stable!
- haunter 2y agoYes LTSC is the way! Supported until 2027 or 2032 with the IoT version. I use the IoT LTSC as a daily driver for everything and it’s perfect https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/release-information https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/rel...
- personalityson 2y agoOf all Windows versions Win10 has 69% market share, even gained 3% this year https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/d... Let's see how it goes
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- TreetopPlace 2y agoI wonder if this could be classified as an environmental crime? Microsoft are forcing to e-waste a considerable percentage of the world's computing devices, and forcing new devices to be built and consumed. And for no reason other than to force people onto Windows 11. Corporations MUST be held responsible for these actions. If not at the legal level then there must be divestment of Microsoft shares by investment groups.
- hulitu 2y agoI bet you never owned an Android device. /s
- hhh 2y agoMicrosoft isn’t forcing anything to be e-waste. They’re dropping support for what will be a 10 year old OS. You’re not forced onto Windows 11. You just won’t get support or security patches. While people should upgrade, industries will still keep w10 around for a long time, just like they do with XP, 98, NT4, etc.
- pdimitar 2y agoYou are saying "10 year old OS" like it's a bad thing.
- bingbingbing777 2y agoAs of 2025 we are no longer supporting our oil rig. Woops it caused a huge spill, that's not our waste
- ryanjshaw 2y agoIt's not a 10 year old OS unless you believe Windows 11 is a fundamentally different kernel and Win32 API version with major backwards incompatibility - which we know isn't the case.
- xg15 2y agoOstensibly this was the same deal they made with Windows XP: "We're not forcing anyone to move to Vista, we're just dropping support for XP. You don't have to upgrade if you don't want to - but of course you do want, who doesn't want to have the latest and greatest, right?" Turned out, a lot of people accepted that deal and stayed on XP. So many that MS got increasingly upset and put up pressure by adding nag screens, etc. I'm completely sure, should enough people here actually try and stay in Win10, they will do the same. Especially since the main motivation for Win11 seems to be additional capabilities for DRM/locking down the system, so MS has a specific motivation to get as many people as possible to switch.
- aetherspawn 2y agoWe started switching to macOS ARM this year (using the same Office365 and Intune for MDM) and yeah, there were a few hiccups here and there, but in general happy to be off Windows 11 (in time for our W10 devices to ease into EOL) and don't think we could be happier any other way. In the budget end the new MacBook Airs are about the same price as the low end Dell laptops we used to buy, and on the higher end the MacBook is competitive price for price but in all cases the quality is better per dollar. Be careful - if you want 3 screens you have to go with MBP M3 Pro as a minimum.
- comprev 2y agoThree screens - one internal, two external - is possible on Macbook Air M through DisplayPort adapters. While Apple say it's not officially supported it does work. My work setup is 2x 24" + laptop on the side.
- theodric 2y agomacOS ARM is not a solution for getting more than 10 years out of a computer. 9-10 is about the max lifecycle of a Mac, including the trailing security updates following 6-7 years of support.
- r00fus 2y agoBy then Asahi Linux should cover everything you need.
- theodric 2y agoAssuming the SSD is still functional, yes, but otherwise it's probably functionally E-waste at that point unless BGA rework becomes accessible and commonplace. Even then, Asahi Linux is a niche solution to a mass-market problem. Surfdudes and winemoms who aren't also tech people aren't going to want to give up their entire app ecosystem and switch to Linux just to continue using their computer. They'll want the computer to simply keep computering, and will end up replacing it.
- pdimitar 2y agoSo much for the "last version of Windows we'll do" then. Seems my support for Microsoft might end up for good at October 2025. Might replace my aging 1080 Ti with an AMD card and start gaming on Linux. Seems the time has come to start evaluating.
- kristofferg 2y ago4090 works fine on Linux.
- pdimitar 2y agoSure but, proprietary blob and all. Who knows what else is there. Going to Linux but still using a super-privileged driver that can extract almost anything out of my system and send it outside does not sound productive to me. Not that there's any guarantee there isn't something similar in the AMD drivers, open-source or not. But I'd like to think the community would notice at one point if that was true.
- mgiampapa 2y agoI think that all depends on if someone finds 500ms of extra latency they can't explain.
- slowbdotro 2y agoDo it! Every day Linux is better and better than before, where as windows is... not so good. Sure there are edge cases like having to use Libre Office instead of Word, but just think of that $100/y saving you'll be having by switching! & Possibly even get a more responsive system!
- kristianp 2y agoI use word and excel via Playonlinux, a Wine front end.
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- lakomen 2y agoGive me the same taskbar as in Windows 10 and I'll switch to 11. Otherwise I might just purge Windows and go 100% Linux. All the Windows games are crap anyway that are coming out in the last decade. What was the last good Windows only game I enjoyed? Battlefield 2042, but it sucked and still does as a game. BG3 works well emulated. CP2077 not sure. Jagged alliance 3 should have no issues. (Why does my phone annoy me with always replacing have with habe?)
- chkaloon 2y agoThe only reason I am still on Windows is Adobe Lightroom. Come on Adobe, time to support Linux!