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Is the goal to eliminate most humans? Think of how much less meat and gas we’d use if we just killed everybody and replaced them with efficient computers.

exe34 2y ago
It means that the current low fertility rate associated with economic progress and education might not lead to the collapse of technological civilisation even if the population drops to a more sustainable level.
- ByQuyzzy 2y ago
  We've encouraged a low fertility rate so that replacement migration can occur[1]. [1]: https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/412547 https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/412547
  - exe34 2y ago
    This article suggests, in the year 2000, that replacement migration might be a way to combat low fertility rate in the west. I don't think you can encourage low fertility rate. I don't think we did in the west. I also know there's nowhere to get our replacement from once the whole world is educated. Technological accelerationism might save us, or it might doom us. It's all rather exciting, isn't it?
    - xcv123 2y ago
      > I don't think you can encourage low fertility rate. I don't think we did in the west. Pushing young women into the workplace so they can waste their lives grinding away at meaningless soul crushing fake corporate jobs instead of raising families. Degenerate Tinder/hookup culture. The "west" certainly encouraged it.
      - CatWChainsaw 2y ago
        Are you as upset that young men are "wasting their lives grinding at meaningless soul crushing fake corporate jobs instead of raising families"?
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      - exe34 2y ago
        If you think puritanism is such a good way of life, you could always move to Saudi Arabia, Uganda or Texas.
        xcv123 2y ago
        I'm not moving anywhere. I'm just an observer and that is simply what I have observed and experienced in my lifetime. Some women have told me they prefer to be a housewife, but modern society looks down on that. Nothing that I can or will do about that. Natural selection will sort it out. No reproduction leads to extinction. The strongest societies and cultures will survive. We'll see how it plays out over the next few generations. I'm not moving to India, China, or Arabia, but they are certainly moving here. My city of ~2M people is now 50% foreign born and mass immigration is still at an all time high. The native populations here are reproducing at below replacement level. I have observed extreme demographic changes happening in real-time within a generation. It is incredible to experience and none of us voted for it. There was no referendum. Nothing. Apparently this was UN policy and we had no choice.
        exe34 2y ago
        Was it UN policy? Was it adopted in a resolution? Or maybe was it that somebody suggested that this might happen in response to that and the other problem might not happen?
        xcv123 2y ago
        It was globally implemented in developed countries exactly as the UN recommended, without any local populations being informed or having any say on the matter. It was dictated by some globalist elites. We have an illusion of a democracy.
- hawski 2y ago
  I worry that it may mainly lead to spamming become even cheaper and more effective more than it will aid technological advancement.
  - exe34 2y ago
    Nah we'll just have to move to better communication systems - something like web of trust. We tap our phones, and from now on I know that anything that claims to be from you is from you. My friends trust that what you claim to have written came from you because they trust me. If you start spouting nonsense, I downgrade your contact information in my list and my friends get the same hint. The open internet itself, yes, it won't survive the next few years - but then there's no stopping this. We could ban AIs in the west, which is the only place that sort of law might work, but Russia, North Korea, Iran, China - they'll still use it to mess with us.
jameshart 2y ago
“Look, I’m not saying do it… I’m just saying run it through the computer to see if it would work.” “Whether it would work is not the issue.” “So you think it might work?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE

exe34 2y ago

It means that the current low fertility rate associated with economic progress and education might not lead to the collapse of technological civilisation even if the population drops to a more sustainable level.

ByQuyzzy 2y ago
We've encouraged a low fertility rate so that replacement migration can occur[1]. [1]: https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/412547 https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/412547
- exe34 2y ago
  This article suggests, in the year 2000, that replacement migration might be a way to combat low fertility rate in the west. I don't think you can encourage low fertility rate. I don't think we did in the west. I also know there's nowhere to get our replacement from once the whole world is educated. Technological accelerationism might save us, or it might doom us. It's all rather exciting, isn't it?
  - xcv123 2y ago
    > I don't think you can encourage low fertility rate. I don't think we did in the west. Pushing young women into the workplace so they can waste their lives grinding away at meaningless soul crushing fake corporate jobs instead of raising families. Degenerate Tinder/hookup culture. The "west" certainly encouraged it.
    - CatWChainsaw 2y ago
      Are you as upset that young men are "wasting their lives grinding at meaningless soul crushing fake corporate jobs instead of raising families"?
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
    - exe34 2y ago
      If you think puritanism is such a good way of life, you could always move to Saudi Arabia, Uganda or Texas.
      - xcv123 2y ago
        I'm not moving anywhere. I'm just an observer and that is simply what I have observed and experienced in my lifetime. Some women have told me they prefer to be a housewife, but modern society looks down on that. Nothing that I can or will do about that. Natural selection will sort it out. No reproduction leads to extinction. The strongest societies and cultures will survive. We'll see how it plays out over the next few generations. I'm not moving to India, China, or Arabia, but they are certainly moving here. My city of ~2M people is now 50% foreign born and mass immigration is still at an all time high. The native populations here are reproducing at below replacement level. I have observed extreme demographic changes happening in real-time within a generation. It is incredible to experience and none of us voted for it. There was no referendum. Nothing. Apparently this was UN policy and we had no choice.
        exe34 2y ago
        Was it UN policy? Was it adopted in a resolution? Or maybe was it that somebody suggested that this might happen in response to that and the other problem might not happen?
        xcv123 2y ago
        It was globally implemented in developed countries exactly as the UN recommended, without any local populations being informed or having any say on the matter. It was dictated by some globalist elites. We have an illusion of a democracy.
hawski 2y ago
I worry that it may mainly lead to spamming become even cheaper and more effective more than it will aid technological advancement.
- exe34 2y ago
  Nah we'll just have to move to better communication systems - something like web of trust. We tap our phones, and from now on I know that anything that claims to be from you is from you. My friends trust that what you claim to have written came from you because they trust me. If you start spouting nonsense, I downgrade your contact information in my list and my friends get the same hint. The open internet itself, yes, it won't survive the next few years - but then there's no stopping this. We could ban AIs in the west, which is the only place that sort of law might work, but Russia, North Korea, Iran, China - they'll still use it to mess with us.

jameshart 2y ago

“Look, I’m not saying do it… I’m just saying run it through the computer to see if it would work.” “Whether it would work is not the issue.” “So you think it might work?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE