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Maybe they can create one without all the traffic.

ProllyInfamous 2y ago
Yellowstone is an animal watching experience... so watch all the humans in their animal-ing.
bombcar 2y ago
Just go to any other part of the park; though the other parts are not as "interesting". Visit the Zone of Death! Almost completely empty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone)
- justrealist 2y ago
  I buy this for Yosemite but let's be real, if I'm going to Yellowstone I'm taking my toddlers to see the geysers, not on a 20 mile in-and-out hike up a mountain.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    Of course - though there are other geysers available (most in Yellowstone, of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geysers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geysers Popular things are popular for reasons, after all. The best I've found is visit at inconvenient times; early or late in the season, or early in the day.
    - wbl 2y ago
      Was just in Yosemite: the mountains look just as pretty with snow and you can snowshoe from Badger Pass.
- samatman 2y ago
  The Zone of Death isn't quite a classic "HN tries to compile the law" topic, lawyers have tried to have the boundaries rewritten after all. But what would happen if/when a felony is committed in the Zone of Death is fairly clear. A local judge would rule that "State and district" needs to be interpreted in the intention of the legislature, and can only be "State or district" when those differ, since "neither State nor district" isn't going to lead to a "fair and speedy trial". But this opens a wedge for appeal on procedural grounds, which any defense lawyer would be duty-bound to take, and the whole thing would end up in front of the Supreme Court. Which is a waste of everyone's time, SCOTUS should be creating meaningful precedent with its limited time, not futzing around with the one spot on the map where the Sixth Amendment is ambiguous. What wouldn't happen is the perpetrator going scot-free. That's not how it works. It's a cool name though. Very in keeping with the West in general.
  - hollywood_court 2y ago
    This reminds of “Free Fire” by C.J. Box.
    - bombcar 2y ago
      One of the novels written to try to get Congress to fix the technical issue.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    The only case that gets close to it was resolved (in part) by the perpetrator taking a plea deal that included the guarantee that they would NOT petition for redress.
    - hnbad 2y ago
      Given how the US legal system works in practice, a plea deal is also the most likely outcome for any other felony. Playing for time isn't really a good idea when that translates to extremely long jail times while waiting for a trial you're not going to win anyway.
  - someguydave 2y ago
    Yeah it always seemed unlikely that “the law does not apply” conclusion makes sense there when judges regularly “nope” less solid procedural arguments out of their courts.
burkaman 2y ago
I haven't been to Yellowstone so maybe this doesn't make sense, but is there a reason they couldn't implement the same system as Zion? During most of the year the main road in Zion is closed to private cars, and everyone uses the (very good) shuttle system, or bikes or walks.
- sofixa 2y ago
  I did a trip through a bunch of national parks recently, and was thinking why the hell isn't there some sort of organised transit - be it shuttle busses, or trains for the capacity. The amount of space wasted for parking in a nature preserve was crazy, not to mention all the infrastructure for the traffic jams. Then went to Grand Canyon and Zion and saw they have shuttles which are sometimes exclusive (if the shuttle is operating you cannot take the road), which makes so much more sense, and even allows for more flexibility (you can go on a hike which is out, and not have to walk back the same way but hop on the shuttle bus).
  - burkaman 2y ago
    I don't know why it isn't more common, especially when most parks have a relatively short main road/loop that 90% of visitors never leave. Yosemite for example has a great bus system that goes everywhere you need, except that they don't block private cars so the buses constantly get stuck in traffic. I think the exclusive shuttles at Zion are relatively new, so maybe it will spread to more parks in the future.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  Zions shuttle system frankly blows. I went last week and had to wait 2 hours in line for it. Meanwhile you go to the kobol canyon area and I did not see a single person all day.
  - thousandautumns 2y ago
    Must vary widely, because I went in August and there was 0 line at all. A lot of places are on Spring Break in the US right now, so that may contribute to your experience.

Yellowstone is an animal watching experience... so watch all the humans in their animal-ing.

Just go to any other part of the park; though the other parts are not as "interesting". Visit the Zone of Death! Almost completely empty! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_of_Death_(Yellowstone)

justrealist 2y ago
I buy this for Yosemite but let's be real, if I'm going to Yellowstone I'm taking my toddlers to see the geysers, not on a 20 mile in-and-out hike up a mountain.
- bombcar 2y ago
  Of course - though there are other geysers available (most in Yellowstone, of course): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geysers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_geysers Popular things are popular for reasons, after all. The best I've found is visit at inconvenient times; early or late in the season, or early in the day.
  - wbl 2y ago
    Was just in Yosemite: the mountains look just as pretty with snow and you can snowshoe from Badger Pass.
samatman 2y ago
The Zone of Death isn't quite a classic "HN tries to compile the law" topic, lawyers have tried to have the boundaries rewritten after all. But what would happen if/when a felony is committed in the Zone of Death is fairly clear. A local judge would rule that "State and district" needs to be interpreted in the intention of the legislature, and can only be "State or district" when those differ, since "neither State nor district" isn't going to lead to a "fair and speedy trial". But this opens a wedge for appeal on procedural grounds, which any defense lawyer would be duty-bound to take, and the whole thing would end up in front of the Supreme Court. Which is a waste of everyone's time, SCOTUS should be creating meaningful precedent with its limited time, not futzing around with the one spot on the map where the Sixth Amendment is ambiguous. What wouldn't happen is the perpetrator going scot-free. That's not how it works. It's a cool name though. Very in keeping with the West in general.
- hollywood_court 2y ago
  This reminds of “Free Fire” by C.J. Box.
  - bombcar 2y ago
    One of the novels written to try to get Congress to fix the technical issue.
- bombcar 2y ago
  The only case that gets close to it was resolved (in part) by the perpetrator taking a plea deal that included the guarantee that they would NOT petition for redress.
  - hnbad 2y ago
    Given how the US legal system works in practice, a plea deal is also the most likely outcome for any other felony. Playing for time isn't really a good idea when that translates to extremely long jail times while waiting for a trial you're not going to win anyway.
- someguydave 2y ago
  Yeah it always seemed unlikely that “the law does not apply” conclusion makes sense there when judges regularly “nope” less solid procedural arguments out of their courts.

burkaman 2y ago

I haven't been to Yellowstone so maybe this doesn't make sense, but is there a reason they couldn't implement the same system as Zion? During most of the year the main road in Zion is closed to private cars, and everyone uses the (very good) shuttle system, or bikes or walks.

sofixa 2y ago
I did a trip through a bunch of national parks recently, and was thinking why the hell isn't there some sort of organised transit - be it shuttle busses, or trains for the capacity. The amount of space wasted for parking in a nature preserve was crazy, not to mention all the infrastructure for the traffic jams. Then went to Grand Canyon and Zion and saw they have shuttles which are sometimes exclusive (if the shuttle is operating you cannot take the road), which makes so much more sense, and even allows for more flexibility (you can go on a hike which is out, and not have to walk back the same way but hop on the shuttle bus).
- burkaman 2y ago
  I don't know why it isn't more common, especially when most parks have a relatively short main road/loop that 90% of visitors never leave. Yosemite for example has a great bus system that goes everywhere you need, except that they don't block private cars so the buses constantly get stuck in traffic. I think the exclusive shuttles at Zion are relatively new, so maybe it will spread to more parks in the future.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
Zions shuttle system frankly blows. I went last week and had to wait 2 hours in line for it. Meanwhile you go to the kobol canyon area and I did not see a single person all day.
- thousandautumns 2y ago
  Must vary widely, because I went in August and there was 0 line at all. A lot of places are on Spring Break in the US right now, so that may contribute to your experience.